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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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you know we never realize here on the

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we expect it's going to involve

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listeners asking questions of our guests

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and sometimes it extends far beyond that

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and people engage in a long-term

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discussion

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and one example of that of course is

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none other than walter bosley who has a

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lot of very interesting things to say

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he's also a former afosi agent former

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fbi counter intelligence specialist so

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as i said he's got an interesting

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backstory there but this particular

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assam do

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other things

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and that kind of has to stop we see this

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happening every so often when we bring

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on a guest with the best of intentions

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and it's going to be a really

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fascinating episode today

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but a few people get bent out of shape

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because of the presence of that guest

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and we want to have a free-flowing

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discussion on our forums and if you

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haven't visited our forums go to

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forum.theparentcast.com and check them

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but you've got to abide by the rules of

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decent behavior we are

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shall we say

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benevolent dictators in the way we

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organize these forums and we tolerate a

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lot but sometimes enough is enough

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to put it mildly to put it mildly

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only mildly so for example without

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mentioning names one of our forum

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posters

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has been asked to take a permanent

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sounds like the name of uh an aerosmith

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if i listened to aerosmith i'd know that

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but i don't

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well anyway i you know i i mean there

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are certain lines that the forum creates

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that are you know i mean ad hominem

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the subject matter but there are certain

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accusing somebody of being complicit in

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unnatural death of another human being

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that sort of thing uh

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down and dirty and and

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shrill um

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in that sort of context though you know

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we have to crack the whip i mean

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there's just no two ways about it

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granted walter you know is the next

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having known the man for what 12 13

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years now i can say that you know you

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can call him whatever you want but the

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guy's a nice guy and and you know he

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his words and research with with good

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walter is not

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part of the the problem he's

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state who you know who you've worked for

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eyebrows in the paranormal ufo community

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walter that he

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has been doing anything that that smacks

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pure disinformation i i really do have a

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sense the guy is who he claims to be

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years i you know i think walter's walter

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is one of the good guys he's an asset

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for for our community

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and although you know once a spook

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always spooky is one of my axioms um you

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the subject matter and how it's handled

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a lot of things uh and

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and you know he's very upfront and he

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says well you know we're getting to a

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you know i really can't talk about it

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because i've signed certain documents

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blah blah blah but at least he's honest

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enough to say that and not beat around

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his san bernardino area research and uh

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uh media digging after the fact is

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definitely worthy of a conversation with

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a native so you know walter's gonna be

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our guest today and uh damn the

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torpedoes we're we're gonna you know you

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know put his feet to the fire and say

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hey oh you know walter what's up with

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from alex jones who by the way is you

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a big conspiracy theorist as you know

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operation a lot of these mass shootings

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walter about synchronicity and how it

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breakaway civilizations because he's got

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subject and by the way speaking of

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power cast for five or six years

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a copy of the electronic version

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of it right now with the subtitle owls

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synchronicity and the ufo abductee

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so mike is ready to come on the show

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it also goes to show how insane our

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perpetrator so should we ban christians

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too insane i mean

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it has reached a point now

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where we have a supreme court justice

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crazy world out there

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don't watch broadcast television

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i know it's not real i know it's fake i

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don't have to watch facebook and every

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time i go to your house i hear fox news

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blaring from the bedroom what's up with

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that

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you ask barbara don't talk to me about

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it i don't watch that she got into that

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and i think she believes some of the

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conspiracy theories but she's such a

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great lady

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she's a wonderful beautiful person

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nobody's perfect she puts up with me

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think about that she's put up with me

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yeah that's true well you you just said

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a mouthful almost 39 years now

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imagine that

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imagine anybody putting look

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chris has known me for a few years he

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barely puts up with me imagine somebody

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well teddy bear puts up with us for

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about what two and a half three years

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he hasn't tried to escape

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when i take him out he's only too happy

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or of course you haven't seen our

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we got walter bosley coming up

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with gene and chris you're in the

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let's take a moment to mention alternate

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walter basley joins us this week for a

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fascinating fascinating session and as

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we mentioned our previous segment of the

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power cast

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we have already

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had an extensive discussion

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about what might come from this episode

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some of it has nothing to do with

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anything other than some debates but we

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have a lot of questions from listeners

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more than we usually have

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which means of course that we're going

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to have to speak fast

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maybe like the guy who used to be on the

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federal express commercials

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oh yeah

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remember him and he would fastest talker

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in the world right he would speak a mile

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a minute

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and you think maybe he still gets work

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talking about the terms and conditions

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from an online offer so

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if there's a sale of a new car

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all the terms and conditions would take

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about 10 minutes to read so you get

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somebody like that to read them he's

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probably no longer alive the original

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guy

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and then she probably trained everybody

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who does it and you then look at

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the

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side effects of different medications

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may cause death may cause

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internal bleeding

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may cause brain tumors or something and

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then you see this smiling happy person

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who is now cured because we fix their

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arthritis or their emotional

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difficulties but they could die

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you know it's like eating at chipotle or

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something like that

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where

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we assume it was just one of those

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things some people could get really sick

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but now they're going to sue us but

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we're just saying what's true now walter

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bosley is a former afosi agent former

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fbi counter-intelligence specialist for

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those who haven't heard of him before

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been on the show several times we talk

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about things like synchronicity about

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breakaway civilizations by the way he's

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got a new book coming out real soon now

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called origin the 19th century emergence

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of the 20th century breakaway

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civilizations how that began but i want

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to talk to you first about synchronicity

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all right

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yeah and

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one of the things you've raised relates

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to the synchronicity of the san

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bernardino terrorist attack

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now just to preface this as i mentioned

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our previous segment walter

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we have at least one prominent

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conspiracy theory

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advocate a talk show host

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named alex jones who claims it's a false

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flag operation

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we said that about some of these mass

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shootings not just that one

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what is your perception how does

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synchronicity get involved

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in something of that sort

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yeah well um first of all i do not think

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this uh san bernardino attack was a

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false flag attack i don't think that at

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all it was it was a terrorist attack

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and

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um i i find that when synchronicity

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occurs it with this kind of stuff and

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particularly

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this situation

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that it's it's just part of that that

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weirdness with synchronicities part of

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the nature of it

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what it is or those meaningful

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coincidences

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that pop up in the numbers associated

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like you know with the victims the

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number of victims with a number you know

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matches a number associated with

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something else

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it's truly in that that um

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ethereal or mystical i can't think of

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the right word right now but um

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it's just part of that fabric we're

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getting into you know whatever word

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might be a cult

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a cult yeah you know

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a cult in the in also the little o sense

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of the word just meaning that secret

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fabric of

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space time and things that are

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admittedly when you get into this

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subject you are getting into the uh the

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purple edges of twilight here on

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unreality so

490
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you know this is not like some hard line

491
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you know just simply political

492
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conspiracy thing you're getting into the

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weirdness here

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all right let's go into more detail

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about this and frankly the news media

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has been filled with this for a couple

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of weeks it's really a bad terrible

498
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tragedy well hold on hold on gene

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um

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there are some articles coming out that

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uh witnesses are coming for claiming

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that three white uh males were involved

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in the shooting not uh

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not a couple uh a male and female

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what what sort of credence do you give

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this kind of revisionist

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i don't know sort of um

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journalistic dane if you will

509
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oh well see that's a different question

510
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i was addressing the subject of false

511
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flag a moment before now when you get on

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how many guys there were and i just want

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to say right up front that um and i as i

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told you guys

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and we've agreed i'm not going to go too

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deep into my synchronicities because

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you know in all fairness i i canceled

518
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another show over the weekend because i

519
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just didn't feel right talking about

520
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:15,120
this stuff so soon you know with people

521
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having died you know just a week ago and

522
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stuff but but this aspect um i'm with

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you there i listen to this live because

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i live right here when this is happening

525
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i heard all the constantly you know

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three gunman three gunman three gunmen

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and then

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24 hours later

529
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you know we forgot about the three and

530
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it was just this couple

531
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and here's what i think um

532
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we all know particularly you know um

533
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investigators of strange phenomena ufos

534
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and stuff like that how witnesses

535
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sometimes their testimony isn't so great

536
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you know and

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under certain circumstances and i'll

538
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tell you right now in law enforcement

539
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investigations you you really learn

540
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the fact that sometimes witness

541
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testimony can be

542
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way off or just off enough that you

543
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,840
can't take everything i think on the

544
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issue that you know the three white

545
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males thing i think what that was was a

546
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case of you know anybody that's even

547
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halfway fair-skinned oh that's a white

548
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male or a white person you know because

549
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they're fair skin

550
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and um in the heat of the moment blah

551
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blah blah so forth i think the fact that

552
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they were identified as three white

553
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males

554
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might be kind of a

555
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a false trail however the fact that

556
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there were three

557
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um was was wholly consistent throughout

558
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the whole day and i i don't know if you

559
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guys have seen the video that was shot

560
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on an iphone out of um one of the

561
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windows either inside the building that

562
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was attacked or the building next door

563
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but they showed this on the news

564
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:47,360
i saw it where i saw the three guys

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three dressed in black or three people

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who dressed in black because i do

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believe this couple was absolutely

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involved in this they were

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they were involved they were they were

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part of this they participated it's kind

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of hard to argue with that when they

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allegedly find pipe bombs and yeah yeah

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so we can't we can't argue that they

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were not involved they were just set up

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patsy that's ridiculous but here's the

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thing yeah i watched the video that you

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know they played where showed three guys

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and actually uh chris and gene um i

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recall on this video it looked like

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there were five total now i don't want

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to muddy the waters i'm just saying what

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i saw on tv that iphone video the

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definitely three guys and i swear it

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looked like two guys behind them coming

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in now i don't know if they mixed up

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these videos and this was a video that

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once the swat and police started showing

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up but it didn't look like that it

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looked like they piled out of a a car an

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suv or something and then we heard

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nothing more about that

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what i think about that is this

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that

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at large they might have captured one

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you know the third

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that they were talking about and turned

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him or they've got him in custody and

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this this mystery with how many guys

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there were i think might very well

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explain

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why the house was opened to the media

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two days later because that is an

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investigative tactic where you see who

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shows up at the scene of the crime and i

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think that's what the bureau did i think

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they opened up that apartment and they

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had their agents there watching to see

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if any of these accomplices at large

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would show up at the apartment to come

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try to get anything returning

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to the scene of the crime oh boy we've

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got walter bosley joining us talking

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walter bosley talking about

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synchronicity the san bernardino

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shooting

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chris you had a question

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i'm not sure if it's a question or not

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but i was just going to point out why

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san bernardino why

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that particular date i mean there's when

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you're talking about synchronicities uh

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you know you can really go off in quite

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a number of directions and i understand

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that you are not

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yet willing to do that but it boggles my

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mind that this of all places that should

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happen would be

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your hometown i mean

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it's a little disconcerting you know and

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believe me

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well i guess my question would be you

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mentioned the fbi how soon did they get

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involved what is the protocol now

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for the fbi's uh involvement how soon

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does it

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leave the jurisdiction of you know local

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law enforcement and uh and the feds

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called in you know in this case they

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seem to be called in fairly fast

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in today's environment i would say that

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that has become even more standard

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operating procedure than when i was an

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agent in the 90s and even then we had

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you know federal agencies have a liaison

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relationship with the local law

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enforcement especially in the case of

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the bureau they would have already a

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relationship established where when

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certain incidents

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and this kind of incident you know would

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fit that criteria you know a mass

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shooting people dressing black that that

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one's kind of in this case you know the

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no-brainer where whoever that liaison is

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they call their fbi guy and say hey we

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have a situation and yeah the fbi comes

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in

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as soon as they can

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their guy to observe and once

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what it probably is is a list of an

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actual list of criteria

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that this shooting met now i haven't

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been involved with that organization in

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years so i wouldn't have access to that

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i would i would only be guessing what

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that list of criteria is but probably

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you know just some of the stuff i

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mentioned a mass shooting people dressed

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in black obviously if they're shouting

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you know al akbar that kind of thing you

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know in the case of terrorism well there

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you go that's something you know the

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bureau's going to want to be interested

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in i would say that they would

816
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definitely take over things the minute

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that they find

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evidence of

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any foreign contact

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okay you know the foreign travel to

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certain nations of concern any contact

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with organizations of concern like isis

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or al-qaeda or whatever as soon as those

824
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kind of yes rather obvious things pop up

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the bureau's going to come in and say

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okay this is a national security issue

827
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we're on this okay well i'm sure it has

828
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changed actually quite a bit since

829
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9 11. i'm sure

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you know the rules of involvement have

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probably uh the criteria and the rules

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uh for the fbi's involvement have been

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have been modified uh quite a bit but um

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you know why

835
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have you wondered to yourself why that

836
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particular target why that particular

837
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date and do you see this as a growing

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trend it just seems to me that you know

839
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,240
we're averaging more than one mass

840
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,000
shooting a day this year in the united

841
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:16,320
states and and that's very troubling i

842
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:19,279
mean we're up to over three i think 360

843
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:22,640
of these events in uh in 350 some odd

844
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:25,360
days and and that's troubling where do

845
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:27,520
you see this trend going and where do

846
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,600
you see the government's efforts to get

847
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:32,399
ahead of this or can we well what

848
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,520
concerns me about it is you're right how

849
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:37,760
many are are you know how often this is

850
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,120
happening this is very weird i agree and

851
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,960
what it does is it inspires you to

852
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:45,360
wonder if there's someone or or

853
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,480
something

854
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,559
behind this and yet you look at the

855
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,919
cases and you say well how would this

856
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,159
guy know that guy um

857
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and then you know we all know the the

858
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,640
theories about you know various programs

859
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,880
like monarch and stuff like that you

860
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,720
can't help but wonder you know is there

861
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,120
an agenda here to control guns

862
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,760
you know so is somebody uh

863
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,840
making these things happen what the heck

864
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,600
is going on i have to say one thing

865
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,200
before you go on obviously that's a

866
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:13,440
conspiracy theory that's ridiculous

867
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,799
because with 360 mass shootings we would

868
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,559
have done something already if we were

869
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:20,960
trying to do it exactly i i agree with

870
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,279
you if we we would have gotten to the

871
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:25,519
gun control you know the lockdown on

872
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,640
guns

873
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,720
a long time ago so

874
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,480
there just seems to be something going

875
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:32,799
on in the collective subconscious of

876
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,760
american society right now that uh

877
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,679
you know for lack of a better term it

878
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,760
it's kind of creepy especially when it

879
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:41,200
occurs in the state that has some of the

880
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,720
strictest gun control laws in the

881
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,440
country and and is probably the uh

882
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,440
i don't know one of the cheerleaders for

883
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,919
uh expanded uh control of arms of

884
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,519
firearms in the united states uh

885
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:53,760
especially assault ban uh assault weapon

886
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bans

887
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,720
one thing just to mention here

888
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,120
also the fact is yes

889
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,200
you could have stringent gun control

890
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:03,360
laws in one state but the neighboring

891
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,640
states

892
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,480
have loose purchase requirements what

893
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,399
difference does it make right people are

894
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:10,000
going to get the guns people are going

895
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,200
to get the guns

896
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,120
but you know on the issue of why san

897
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,919
bernardino i think on the practical nuts

898
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,600
and bolts where the rubber meets the

899
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,600
road level in this case

900
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,880
these people

901
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,559
they just happen to live here in this

902
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,799
area and you know people like this they

903
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,200
case hey where are the soft targets you

904
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,960
know we really haven't done anything in

905
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,600
california yet you know i i'm and that's

906
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:33,120
as a california resident and somebody

907
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,399
that's been in the

908
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,919
national security counterterrorism

909
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:38,159
business i'm i'm really surprised there

910
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,200
hasn't been

911
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:41,039
you know stuff happening in california

912
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:43,519
yet in my opinion it's it's been kind of

913
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:49,590
okay i'll take i'm sorry i took that

914
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,200
wrong you would think that maybe

915
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,200
somebody would go into your universal

916
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:55,360
studios or drive down rodeo or

917
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,799
disneyland or something you know do

918
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,399
something right now when

919
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,039
you can go to disneyland right now and

920
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,880
and all they do is they check the ladies

921
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:04,720
purses and you know if a guy has you

922
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,919
know like a rucksack or something they

923
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:08,079
just kind of look in there a little bit

924
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,520
that's it they don't have metal

925
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,520
detectors you know i hate to put it out

926
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:13,200
there like that but you know maybe if

927
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,720
someone hears this they'll they'll

928
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,560
change the way they do things because

929
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,079
you know that's a target that i'd worry

930
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,639
about but any target like that you know

931
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:23,040
the synchronicities stuff that that i

932
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:23,839
saw

933
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,560
it doesn't really have to do with why

934
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,159
these people

935
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,480
elected to do this here the the

936
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,560
synchronicity stuff it's in the

937
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:33,760
background

938
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,960
it's almost like it's kind of pre-loaded

939
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,679
for something to happen and the thing

940
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:41,040
that happened

941
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,639
just happened to be what's reflective of

942
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,040
our times and that's terrorism

943
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,359
um and the synchronicity

944
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,119
the level that that's going on just

945
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,200
takes advantage of whatever happens it

946
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,800
could have been anything

947
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,520
and whatever the fabric does

948
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,839
that connects these things through these

949
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,320
synchronicities it does independently on

950
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:03,040
its own

951
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,320
hold on what would you do first of all

952
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,599
define it

953
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,640
how are you going to come up with the

954
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,560
bill clinton it depends on which it

955
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,720
you're talking about well there you go

956
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,720
defining the it

957
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,119
is the thing

958
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,200
i mean it sounds okay

959
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:18,960
it sounds occult it really does sound

960
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:19,839
like

961
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,800
ritual sacrifice uh you know ritual uh

962
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,320
bloodletting

963
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,560
yeah well uh the stuff i wrote about

964
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,280
that happened in 1915 i i'm convinced

965
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,760
was indeed that i think these seven

966
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,920
people were ritual sacrifices people

967
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,760
who've read the books know that

968
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,960
um

969
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,200
now here you have

970
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,880
this event

971
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,000
that

972
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,079
you know has all these synchronicities

973
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,480
and here's the thing i put out a video

974
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,480
there i'll give you guys the link i mean

975
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,800
because it's out there um but i'll i'll

976
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,280
give you guys the link and it lists all

977
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:56,000
these synchronicities that i have uh put

978
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,880
out there

979
00:36:03,030 --> 00:35:59,760
and i list three possibilities one of

980
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,040
them is that this is just randomly how

981
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:05,119
the fabric of space time works with

982
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:06,480
these numbers

983
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,760
the other one is that there is uh you

984
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,359
know it it

985
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:13,040
that there is a a

986
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,400
conscious thing out there indescribable

987
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,320
thing out there that connects these

988
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,200
things the third possibility that i lift

989
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:23,920
is that indeed there's you know some

990
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:26,960
sinister hand behind all this

991
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:29,359
nudging things to happen in a certain

992
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,400
way

993
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:32,960
under certain instructions to make sure

994
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that the synchronicities

995
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are there and are noticed let's do our

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1113
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,400
the surface here this week

1114
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,560
having to do with the

1115
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:43,280
passage of some sort of law or bill

1116
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:46,160
that allows the government to

1117
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,839
conduct staged um events uh in our in

1118
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:51,359
our society

1119
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,319
and

1120
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,720
this would allow for

1121
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:57,440
theoretically for false flag type events

1122
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:58,480
and

1123
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:01,680
uh managed events that

1124
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,240
do not actually um

1125
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,280
are not exactly what they appear to be

1126
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,119
and uh of course you know

1127
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,359
the subject of sandy hook has come up

1128
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:13,200
now the subject of san bernardino is

1129
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:14,319
coming up

1130
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,040
but

1131
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,680
what do you know about the

1132
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,880
um

1133
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,119
i guess legal ability for the u.s

1134
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,200
government to actually

1135
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,280
um create and perpetrate false flag

1136
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,480
events

1137
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,839
no matter how

1138
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,400
sinister or how deadly they are or how

1139
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:32,000
innocuous they are

1140
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,599
what do you know about this and are you

1141
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,599
aware of of this particular legislation

1142
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:37,119
that kind of secretly was passed a

1143
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,560
number of years ago

1144
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:41,440
no i hear here's the thing that i have

1145
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,480
told you know some close associates that

1146
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,040
um what i noticed the weird thing that

1147
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,160
happened after 9 11 is there's

1148
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,520
a whole bunch of us guys who

1149
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,040
we're um

1150
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,119
you know it was suddenly harder for us

1151
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,720
to find work

1152
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,680
um

1153
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,920
you know in in the post-9 11 world i

1154
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:03,280
mean i was

1155
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:04,880
working in

1156
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,760
a counter-terrorism capacity

1157
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:09,920
in the year before 9 11 happened and i

1158
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,800
continued to do it up until 2006

1159
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:14,400
but

1160
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:20,790
i

1161
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,520
you know was aware of other guys who you

1162
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,359
know were in the national security world

1163
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,280
that i knew guys i'd worked with

1164
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,680
that had been kind of vocal about you

1165
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,640
know hey

1166
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,319
something weird's been happening since 9

1167
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,760
11 and that is

1168
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,599
it's like they kind of wanted to just

1169
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:38,400
push out the old school and bring in

1170
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,000
the new school and the the problem with

1171
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,160
that is you're getting

1172
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,720
rid of your uh base of knowledge your

1173
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:48,160
experience

1174
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,960
and

1175
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,359
it's like they wanted to bring in you

1176
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,440
know people with a new mindset now

1177
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,440
that's not to say there aren't people

1178
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,440
that you know weren't around when i was

1179
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,280
around that you know

1180
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,720
that were around when i was around that

1181
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:03,200
aren't around now of course there are

1182
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,000
but

1183
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:06,800
there has been i've experienced it i i

1184
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,760
know a lot of other guys who

1185
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,160
it's kind of like you know we're out so

1186
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,760
the things that have been happening to

1187
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,880
answer your question the things that

1188
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,319
have been happening legally and

1189
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,800
procedurally they're different than the

1190
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:20,880
way they used to be and when you're not

1191
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,640
in uh certain circles you're not privy

1192
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,960
to you know certain you know legislative

1193
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,119
details or or the way it works see

1194
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,640
there's when a law gets passed there's

1195
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:32,240
what you guys hear about publicly and

1196
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,760
then the way it gets applied to

1197
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,680
operational regulations those

1198
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,440
regulations the only people have access

1199
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,720
to them are the people who need them

1200
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:40,960
that's the agents and such still active

1201
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,440
and working so they're the ones that

1202
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,280
they get to see all the nuts and bolts

1203
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,040
and the details of the regulations and

1204
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:49,359
they know you know the so-called what's

1205
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,400
going on

1206
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,160
someone like myself particularly when

1207
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,240
you're um you know doing what i was

1208
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,079
doing out in the field you're

1209
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,680
specifically aware of the rules that

1210
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,359
govern what you're doing

1211
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,839
but you're away from you know the big

1212
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,599
organizations and the headquarters and

1213
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,760
stuff so you know you you don't have

1214
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,920
access to the the whole thing you're

1215
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:09,359
compartmentalized

1216
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,400
and

1217
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:11,760
you know so i

1218
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:14,319
wow to comment on how they're doing and

1219
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:15,359
why

1220
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,359
get done that sometimes the public

1221
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,599
doesn't understand and sometimes because

1222
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:23,839
it is compartmentalized it does seem

1223
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,680
sinister or can be turned that way but

1224
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,400
you know i just it i it is kind of an

1225
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:33,040
odd era that even somebody with my

1226
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,640
experience is hard to comment on

1227
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,440
honestly well let's put it this way it's

1228
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:38,720
there's uh

1229
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,160
really no gray area between a sting

1230
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,720
and a false flag you know orchestrating

1231
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,000
and

1232
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,920
you know managing a false flag event

1233
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,640
where people die or or you know horrific

1234
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,839
things occur

1235
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:53,920
and so i'm i'm going to be doing some

1236
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,960
digging my myself uh into this because i

1237
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,560
haven't really had a chance to i just

1238
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,640
encountered this particular article

1239
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,839
yesterday

1240
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,760
but anyway it's it's just a heads up

1241
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,079
that there there apparently is some sort

1242
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,839
of legislation

1243
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:09,839
that has been kind of quietly passed a

1244
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,760
number of years ago that would allow for

1245
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,760
something like a san bernardino attack

1246
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:17,440
or something like sandy hook or

1247
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,200
something like uh being involved in in

1248
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,280
events you know locally here in the

1249
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,880
united states uh you know of course

1250
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,520
we've always been able to

1251
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:29,280
uh to a certain degree uh do these

1252
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,800
things perpetrate these types of

1253
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,640
activities overseas and of course we

1254
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,200
know our our good friends the israelis

1255
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,200
have been doing uh

1256
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:39,440
you know targeted assassinations and

1257
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,720
liquidations or whatever you want

1258
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,720
for decades but

1259
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,880
if this is true and the united states

1260
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:48,880
legally has the ability

1261
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,760
to authorize deadly force uh

1262
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,480
as a form of societal manipulation i

1263
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,520
mean this is very disconcerting and

1264
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,760
it's a very slippery road

1265
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,000
yeah i'd like to see a copy of this

1266
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:04,319
legislation because that's

1267
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,240
that that's shocking my view has been

1268
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,560
this not that the government you know

1269
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,400
any official entity in the official

1270
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,079
course of its duties

1271
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,359
you know commits these atrocities i i i

1272
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,800
would suspect

1273
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,640
that when you can connect this to

1274
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:21,520
somebody actively in the government it's

1275
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:22,560
um

1276
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,640
it's it's an independent act it's it's a

1277
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,400
oh i hate to use this term but yeah it's

1278
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,960
a rogue element it's guys who are

1279
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,720
just because they've gone off the deep

1280
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,800
end it really um

1281
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,319
it would be very very difficult for me

1282
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,520
to believe that sanctioned events uh

1283
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,760
that involve mass shootings uh that sort

1284
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,160
of thing or sabotage or you know you

1285
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,319
could come up with any number of

1286
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,319
you know of of you know horrific

1287
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:51,119
scenarios uh it would it would really be

1288
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,560
difficult for me to believe that the us

1289
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,480
government would actually uh condone

1290
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,240
this and and

1291
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,640
allow itself to legally do it to give

1292
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,160
itself a mission

1293
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:02,160
so i think we both i would be very

1294
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,359
interested in what you come up with and

1295
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,920
i'll i'll share any uh any information

1296
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,599
that i i come up with too i've got a

1297
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,119
couple of sources that i want to talk to

1298
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,760
about this as well but um the very fact

1299
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,280
walter i mean as soon as i heard the

1300
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,520
word san bernardino i i immediately

1301
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:17,200
thought of you

1302
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:18,240
well

1303
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,280
yeah

1304
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,280
you know i was if this happened in my

1305
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,160
town i would really be upset and and i

1306
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,119
would be all over it i'd be you know

1307
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,680
exhausting all efforts to find out

1308
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,599
why did they come to my town well you

1309
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,079
know what's up with this and and then

1310
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,760
you know of course uh a number of the

1311
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,520
synchronicities that you've mentioned in

1312
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,079
in in your you know your first response

1313
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,400
to to the event

1314
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,319
and then the the video which i haven't

1315
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,240
seen yet but i understand one of our

1316
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,000
posters at the forums really took

1317
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,400
exception to the spooky music

1318
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,880
uh that he claimed was some sort of

1319
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,040
something nefarious and how the music

1320
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:57,040
was uh disconnected really

1321
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,559
really you know i'd like to know who

1322
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,119
that person is because guess what the

1323
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:03,839
video i posted is silent there's no

1324
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,839
audio on it whatsoever so it sounds like

1325
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:07,680
maybe somebody else took it

1326
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,559
and dramatized it so uh

1327
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,400
you might want to look into that

1328
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,400
yeah if that person was listening i did

1329
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,640
not put any spooky music i cancelled a

1330
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,359
show that i was asked to do on sunday um

1331
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,160
i was asked to do last week um on sunday

1332
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:24,319
i cancelled it because i felt like you

1333
00:49:29,829 --> 00:49:27,119
know what i just still i i i don't feel

1334
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,839
right getting out there and and

1335
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,160
in fact the video is unlisted on youtube

1336
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,079
i have to send the link or once you get

1337
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,480
the link if you proliferate it you know

1338
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,559
that's beyond my control but you know i

1339
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,480
put it out there because as you said

1340
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,920
when this happened

1341
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,000
as soon as i started hearing the details

1342
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,160
i was shocked because the synchronicity

1343
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,599
started popping up and they were so

1344
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,240
compelling that you know i was talking

1345
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:52,800
with um a couple of associates of mine

1346
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,520
and they said look you know get get this

1347
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,920
get this written down somehow and and

1348
00:50:01,109 --> 00:50:00,480
get it you know down where

1349
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:01,119
it

1350
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:05,599
why the video i do this weekly vid

1351
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,800
report thing for my readers and uh that

1352
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,720
this served as my weekly vid report that

1353
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,720
i was going to do anyway and instead of

1354
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,359
doing the usual commentary i just have

1355
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:17,680
the synchronicities identified on a

1356
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,800
black background no sound at all so i

1357
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,200
have not been i mean i cancel an

1358
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:25,359
appearance and that's why out of respect

1359
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,400
to those guys

1360
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,319
and adam if you're listening you know

1361
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,680
out of respect to those guys because i

1362
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,680
canceled on them that's another reason

1363
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,359
why i didn't want to you know that we're

1364
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,680
not going too deeply into those here you

1365
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,680
know but um

1366
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,079
you know yeah i there's no music i'm not

1367
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,240
turning this into a circus but they are

1368
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,319
compelling and i'll send you the link

1369
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,760
here in a couple of minutes chris so

1370
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,000
that you can you can see them and you're

1371
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:50,000
right when this happened you know and i

1372
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,280
heard this was happening and these

1373
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:53,359
things started popping up

1374
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,720
yeah i mean my gut told me well yeah

1375
00:51:02,309 --> 00:50:59,440
okay i know why it happened here because

1376
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,319
for some reason whatever this thing is

1377
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,920
that that is connected with

1378
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,200
synchronicity

1379
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:07,680
or maybe orchestrates events to make

1380
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,720
these things happen um it was the 100th

1381
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,800
anniversary of one of the murders of the

1382
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:15,119
victims from 1915.

1383
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,920
see

1384
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,440
so

1385
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,319
that's the most uh glaring one

1386
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,040
i must say that one really

1387
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and it's it's double the number i mean

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there's there's a

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there's a bunch of stuff in there that

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is really compelling

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with gina and chris you're in the

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and now

1448
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,829
we have walter bosley joining us on the

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1454
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,800
now let me ask you one question here

1455
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:28,720
because we spent about a third of the

1456
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,160
show talking about san bernardino and i

1457
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:34,480
want to move on to some other subjects

1458
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,960
is there any way in advance

1459
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,680
using this information the synchronicity

1460
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,040
to predict

1461
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,000
something like this ahead of time here's

1462
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,079
the thing about it and i'm glad you

1463
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,480
asked that because that's something that

1464
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:50,000
was discussed when i was writing the

1465
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,440
first empire the wheel book and i

1466
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,440
discussed it specifically with the

1467
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,240
ceshari the the author who

1468
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:58,240
has provided me with the so-called ley

1469
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,800
line maps and also with joseph farrell

1470
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,160
and a couple of other people who i'm

1471
00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:04,960
friends with close associates and we got

1472
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:06,800
into this you know that you quickly

1473
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:10,000
recognize a potential predictive quality

1474
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,440
with this kind of information the

1475
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,440
problem with it is

1476
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:15,599
there's so many possibilities how do you

1477
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,480
say

1478
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,240
this is going to happen there it could

1479
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:20,960
you predict yes i think you could

1480
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:23,839
it's non-actionable intelligence exactly

1481
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,000
it's non-actionable it it what what

1482
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,839
you're more easily able to do is when

1483
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,280
something happens like in the case of

1484
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,520
what happened last week here you're

1485
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,200
these things just jump out and you go oh

1486
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,760
oh shoot yeah yeah look at wow there's

1487
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:38,000
that there's that there's that believe

1488
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,800
me

1489
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,880
had i been able to predict

1490
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,440
anything in something like this i i

1491
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,680
would have informed somebody at the risk

1492
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,760
of looking like a nut but of course you

1493
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,160
would i think any sane person would

1494
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,319
but that's the sad thing about these

1495
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:53,680
things is

1496
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,040
whatever is out there that causes human

1497
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,960
evil to be perpetrated

1498
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:01,440
you know it holds the cards as to when

1499
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,480
and where

1500
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:05,440
99 of the time the rest of us are just

1501
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:09,280
in a reactive mode yeah no philip k dick

1502
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,799
novel uh about pre-crime uh

1503
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,880
and all this sort of things right right

1504
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,799
but this is a good place to i think

1505
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,280
start to um shift over to other subjects

1506
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,920
and and just about the subject of

1507
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,160
synchronicity which i'm i'm absolutely

1508
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:26,319
fascinated with as most you know of our

1509
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,520
listeners know

1510
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,440
shadow gov who's been a longtime poster

1511
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:31,760
at forum.theparacast.com

1512
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,920
where the question bank is uh our place

1513
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:35,599
where you can ask questions of our guest

1514
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,520
he he doesn't post very much but he came

1515
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,839
up with an interesting kind of question

1516
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:41,680
and he says i'm currently reading empire

1517
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,960
of the wheel book one and i was

1518
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:44,880
wondering where you draw the line

1519
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,599
between coincidence and synchronicity

1520
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,760
where does one end and the other begin

1521
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,920
or is there a line that's just the thing

1522
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,000
i i hear this occasionally it's like oh

1523
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:56,240
you know what is the difference well i i

1524
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,359
think the basic definition of

1525
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,680
synchronicity is a meaningful

1526
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,079
coincidence coincidence is when a friend

1527
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,079
you haven't seen in a long time you know

1528
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,760
you both go to disneyland on the same

1529
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,760
day and run into each other oh what a

1530
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,240
coincidence or you find out that each of

1531
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,640
you have a kid born on the same day

1532
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,440
that's coincidence but synchronicity is

1533
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:17,839
when you have things like and i'll just

1534
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,720
go into this deep to make this point for

1535
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,839
instance

1536
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,599
in the san bernardino thing it was on

1537
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,040
the 100th anniversary of the death of

1538
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:27,359
one of the victims she was a 14 year old

1539
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,000
girl there were 14 victims of the san

1540
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,319
bernardino shooting okay

1541
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,000
the fact that the date that was on the

1542
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,200
100th anniversary also these things are

1543
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,000
synchronicities is when these numbers

1544
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,040
start popping up like this and more and

1545
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,119
more of them you know in this particular

1546
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,520
case that's the case is there there's

1547
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,680
just more and more of it another one for

1548
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,160
example is um and i almost hate to go

1549
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,400
into these sometimes because i guarantee

1550
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,079
you there's there's 10 guys sitting out

1551
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,000
there right now going to listen to this

1552
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,160
that are going to say oh it's bs that

1553
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:02,559
means nothing to me they're like you

1554
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:04,640
know the wizard of oz ignore that man

1555
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:06,079
behind the curtain or the cop saying

1556
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:07,520
move along folks there's nothing to see

1557
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,760
here when there clearly is for instance

1558
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,400
the event took place very near the major

1559
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,839
intersection right next to it the main

1560
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,559
one was waterman avenue and orange show

1561
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:18,880
road okay now i've had somebody who's

1562
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,839
read my books who who they saw this too

1563
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,640
i had seen it but they saw it too

1564
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:27,119
waterman avenue okay one of the victims

1565
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,640
of the san bernardino working with a guy

1566
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,040
named isadora jasso who died up in

1567
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,680
baldwin lake he drowned in a lake okay

1568
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,160
there's the man who died in water okay

1569
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,160
you could look at waterman avenue as man

1570
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,160
and water right and then the orange show

1571
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,480
road that it intersects at okay

1572
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,720
the girl the 14 year old girl died from

1573
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:47,040
eating an orange that was poisoned with

1574
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,760
an unknown toxin and orange so orange

1575
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:52,000
show road waterman avenue that's the

1576
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,359
intersection where the shooting took

1577
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:55,839
place the nearest intersection and here

1578
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,000
you have in waterman avenue and one show

1579
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,319
road you have pointers to two of the

1580
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,880
victims and how they died that just to

1581
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,400
define you know what's the difference

1582
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,720
between synchronicity and coincidence

1583
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:08,319
there you go the fact that there's

1584
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:09,760
something there that you can do that

1585
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,040
analysis okay this didn't happen on

1586
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:15,359
ninth street and arrowhead okay this

1587
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:17,839
didn't happen on fifth street and

1588
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,040
baseline this happened essentially at

1589
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,280
waterman avenue and orange show road the

1590
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,599
other stuff all had to do with the 14

1591
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,280
year old girl who died eating a poisoned

1592
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:29,839
orange and there it happens on at orange

1593
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:32,559
show road what it is is that the amount

1594
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,520
very often of the so-called coincidence

1595
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:37,200
is what pushes it over the edge into

1596
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,960
synchronicity now i say this and they're

1597
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,079
still going to be people are just going

1598
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:44,559
to say i don't see it i refuse to see it

1599
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,000
this is all bs well back engineering

1600
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:50,319
yeah if you know what at that point you

1601
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:51,920
just have to decide you're either

1602
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,200
choosing to recognize what's there now

1603
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,280
you can recognize what's there and still

1604
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:59,440
not put any meaning to it that's okay

1605
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,359
i'm not saying anyone has to put any

1606
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,040
meaning to it i'm not saying people have

1607
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:04,720
to put any meaning to it that i put on

1608
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,359
it i'm just saying come on folks the

1609
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,119
numbers are there the situation things

1610
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,520
are there isn't this interesting and i

1611
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:12,960
know i aggravate the hell out of these

1612
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,960
guys who by golly they want you to tell

1613
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,119
them what to think they want you to tell

1614
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,359
them that they want a firm this is the

1615
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,280
way it is statement so that they can

1616
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,200
either latch onto that and say now i

1617
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,040
know what to think now i know what to

1618
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:27,440
believe or they can say oh now i have a

1619
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,200
bullet to shoot you with

1620
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,200
i think it's an undefined disease in our

1621
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,119
culture now that people are just begging

1622
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,280
for others to come up with the type of

1623
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,000
information that they need to be able to

1624
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:40,559
find some sort of tag that they can put

1625
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,520
their emotional sense right on to it's

1626
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:45,599
becoming rampant unfortunately people

1627
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:48,160
don't do the research for themselves

1628
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:51,520
they rely on questionable research or or

1629
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,839
good research depending on how well they

1630
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:55,920
vet the information that they embrace

1631
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,880
and it's i think it's pandemic in in the

1632
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,799
west now with the internet it's just an

1633
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:03,280
absolute cacophony it's a kaleidoscope

1634
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:07,040
of just half baked opinion couched as as

1635
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,760
fact and it's getting worse and worse

1636
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:11,599
and the belligerence the the hair

1637
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:14,079
trigger and hostility people just there

1638
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:15,680
are some people a lot of people too many

1639
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,440
i think who just want to go right to the

1640
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,200
argument right to the bickering we're

1641
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:21,280
all of an age guys where do you remember

1642
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:23,839
the era before i mean my gosh you'd

1643
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,359
watch a news program and you wouldn't

1644
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,359
see people yelling and bickering over

1645
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:28,960
each other acting like you know high

1646
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,200
school kids you'd never see that not

1647
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,440
easily and

1648
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:36,079
oh in a flame war

1649
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,839
that never would have happened and now

1650
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,599
that's the norm so what happens is

1651
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you've got all these generations that

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are growing up seeing that and they

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really think that you know that that's

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business as usual

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now one thing i want to mention here too

1656
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:49,599
about that because i come out of

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broadcast news at one time news was a

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public service

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and then the networks and local stations

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realize that news can be a profit center

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so as soon as you jump you make that

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leap

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from public service to profit center

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that that aspect gene has been going on

1665
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,040
since roone arledge was made head of abc

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01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,280
news back in the early 70s i think well

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it's the same thing it's just a

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01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,880
continuation of the same thing i believe

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you yeah because you can see you're

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right when you look through the

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intervening years you see the the subtle

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changes and shifts so that by the time

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we got to the era we're in now yeah

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you're right you can trace it well you

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can trace it to six corporations that

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own uh virtually 98 of the news

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organizations and media in this country

1678
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oh yeah yeah well look at disney and how

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much my god and me i'm i'm usually the

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kind of guy that says oh you know

1681
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disney's not that evil or whatever but

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even i i you know i can't deny that you

1683
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know what the heck look how much they

1684
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own and control and how easy it would be

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for them to uh just really control

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everything that goes well and manipulate

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editorial policy and sure

1688
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that sort of thing i mean come on let's

1689
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get real anybody who watches broadcast

1690
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television is being you know in in a way

1691
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they're being brainwashed into uh

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particular points of view particular

1693
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belief systems it's cultural programming

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marshall mcluhan pointed this out in the

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early 60s understanding media is a must

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read for anybody that has problems with

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what we're seeing in the age of uh

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propagandized entertainment it's just

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terrible but let's agree that we do have

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a problem with the fourth estate you

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would think would have you know some

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and and you know adhere to certain

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journalistic principles and that sort of

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thing and we know that that's that's

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totally uh a bygone right

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let's do this break guys okay and then

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we'll talk about breakaway civilization

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all right we're now going to break away

1809
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:17,359
from san bernardino and let's just hope

1810
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:18,880
we don't have more of these but then

1811
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with 360 mass shootings in the u.s just

1812
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,279
this year

1813
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:25,199
when will the other shoe drop

1814
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,000
all right but you notice only one

1815
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,400
this year was related to possible

1816
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:32,080
terrorist elements

1817
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,600
outside the country and that's the one

1818
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:35,199
that gets the most publicity what about

1819
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:36,239
the others

1820
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:38,799
homegrown terrorism murder whatever

1821
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:41,679
mental illness in people snapping

1822
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,560
walter bosley let's move on

1823
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,319
breakaway civilizations you've got a new

1824
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:48,319
book coming out on the subject give us

1825
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,799
kind of an overview of it and then we

1826
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,719
can get into the specifics

1827
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:54,880
well basically uh the subtitle says it

1828
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:57,839
all um it's title origin the 19th

1829
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,640
century emergence of the 20th century

1830
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:02,400
breakaway civilizations

1831
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:04,719
it is my attempt to

1832
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:05,520
show

1833
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:07,839
the evidence that these breakaway

1834
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,799
civilizations were talking about that

1835
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:12,080
you know we've been talking about them

1836
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:13,839
in terms of emerging in the post-world

1837
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:16,719
war ii era actually have their roots uh

1838
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:19,679
farther back in history going to as

1839
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:22,640
early as the 1850s in the case of uh you

1840
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,400
know some of the stories and and the

1841
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:26,719
lore the the book even goes back farther

1842
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:30,239
than uh the 1850s even and attempts to

1843
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:33,279
tell that story to show the thread of

1844
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:35,759
how these breakaways came to be

1845
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,199
all right let's start with that when we

1846
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:39,199
think of breakaway civilizations most of

1847
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:41,279
the time when i've heard this discussion

1848
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:44,640
i thought well this is something that is

1849
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:45,679
recent

1850
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:50,870
when you look more closely it's not a

1851
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:53,279
lot of people think that it emerged from

1852
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:54,960
the military-industrial complex in the

1853
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:57,440
post-world war two era in some you know

1854
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,880
cases a nazi origin and of course with

1855
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:02,880
operation paperclip and all that that

1856
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,120
that it was really a nazi generated

1857
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,440
thing in the united states and these

1858
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:09,920
military industrial uh corporations

1859
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,560
decided to uh start their own secret

1860
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:14,320
space programs and and that it all

1861
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,520
started then but when you look closely

1862
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,679
it does actually

1863
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:21,520
trace back to

1864
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:24,560
the airship mysteries of the 1800s of

1865
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,080
the 19th century when i say airship

1866
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,560
mysteries plural i'm not only talking

1867
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,280
about the airship mystery of the 1890s

1868
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:33,760
i'm talking about the charles del shall

1869
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,120
sonora arrow club material as well there

1870
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:39,360
is a german thread

1871
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,239
that

1872
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:42,560
connects the sonora aeroclub issue in

1873
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,040
this organization called nimza

1874
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:47,440
to the 20th century

1875
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,239
nazi era of secret technology

1876
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:52,560
and when i looked more closely at that

1877
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,800
it just made more sense that hey wait a

1878
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,640
minute you know the nazis had to get

1879
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,400
their ideas from somewhere

1880
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,480
and you know those guys had to get their

1881
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,159
idea of the guys who influenced the

1882
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,320
nazis from somewhere and look what we

1883
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:06,640
have here in the lore and what i try to

1884
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:09,679
do in this book is take the lore that

1885
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:11,920
you've heard of you've heard of dalshow

1886
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,840
and the sonora arrow club you've heard

1887
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,920
of the 1890s airship mystery of course

1888
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:17,520
you heard of all the the lore about what

1889
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,080
the nazis were doing what i do is is i'm

1890
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:22,080
showing how they connect and what the

1891
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:23,120
thread

1892
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,320
is that you can follow in a logic that

1893
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:28,320
shows that hey wait a minute this was

1894
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,920
something that was brewing and cooking

1895
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:31,760
and they were moving towards you know

1896
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,719
over 150 years ago so let's look at the

1897
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,960
beginning of this why

1898
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,040
break away from our civilization why

1899
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:41,120
have this alternative

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01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,520
okay our times are a very good this is a

1901
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:45,360
very good environment in which to talk

1902
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,560
about this we have a a lot of people uh

1903
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,159
factions in our society right now you

1904
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:52,080
could say american society and by

1905
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:53,920
extension the world is just really

1906
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:55,920
divisive right now for lack of a better

1907
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,040
term and i don't mean this in the

1908
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:59,360
political corporate sense i mean this in

1909
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,280
the social cultural sense we have

1910
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,440
special interest groups we have this

1911
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,760
demographic that they're this way and

1912
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,360
they want things their way and that

1913
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:09,199
demographic wants things their way and

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01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:11,440
such what a breakaway civilization

1915
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,360
really does and is

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is one of these groups a group of

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like-minded people who say you know hey

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we don't like this world we live in we

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don't like you know how things are going

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gosh we have the resources and the means

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to say screw all of you in the rest of

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the world we're going to establish our

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own civilization and just go off and do

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our own thing that really to my

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understanding is really how it starts

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you just got guys who either want to

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control the world how they see it and if

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they can't they're going to go off and

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establish their own this ultimately goes

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back to some sort of germanic agenda

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in its i guess it's early stages or the

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genesis of this whole

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potential theoretical movement

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how and when did um

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this become more of a

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multinational effort i mean the obvious

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the obvious answer would be after world

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war ii and the using joseph farrell's

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work you know the the dispensation of

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billions of dollars of wealth uh that

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was reacquired shall we say and not

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given back to the proper owners uh

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necessarily but reacquired and hidden

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from the rest of the financial structure

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on the planet and and that this was

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the thing that really gave a shot in the

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arm and really created a huge

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uh technological and amazing right

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technological uh uh i'm not even sure

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what the word would be i guess uh

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development research and development but

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yeah you're saying that this you think

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this ultimately was something that was

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started by the germans and then it was

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co-opted after the war well here's

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01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,040
here's the thing it got its tremendous

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modern technological boost as a result

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of world war ii absolutely but what i

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really look at is i found evidence and i

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talked about this in my book

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empire the wheel 2 friends from sonora

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that actually i think there are two

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breakaways that we're dealing with here

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the german one

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and

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an american group that actually broke

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away from any connections that these

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airship guys had to uh the german

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organization um in the post-civil war

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era now what am i saying here i'm not

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saying that there were stealth ufos

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flying around

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you know during the 1870s you know 20th

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21st century type stuff that's

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ridiculous i've never said that i never

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will what i'm saying is the trail of

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technological development and pursuit of

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certain things that we ended up with in

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the mid to late 20th century and today

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began with in my opinion these two

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groups the german group and the american

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01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,480
group okay we're talking very

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rudimentary technology here i have a

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chart that i use in a recent uh talk i

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gave at the secret space program

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conference in austin texas it's going to

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be in the book and what this chart shows

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you is it kind of explains what i'm

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talking about here this progression

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you've got the 1850s era that i talk

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about and you know i show what's called

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an arrow those of you familiar with del

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shall if you're not looking up

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it'll be in the book this very

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rudimentary anti-gravity so to speak

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craft and i compare it to the ford model

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t okay then we jump ahead 40 years to

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the 1890s airship mystery and i show an

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01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:30,560
example of what was described there a

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little more advanced and i compare that

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to a 1958 buick okay and then i showed

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the modern mid to late 20th century

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01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:40,400
flying saucer i think i showed it's the

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s4 model or whatever and i compare that

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with a 1985 porsche so you get the idea

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the progression of this technology is

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like the progression of the automobile

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you have the very rudimentary basic

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model t and then you have the you know

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like an automobile of the 50s and then

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you jump ahead to the the modern sports

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car thing and that's what we're talking

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about is a technological progression you

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know along those lines now certainly

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absolutely world war ii was a huge

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step forward for these breakaways

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but i'm convinced that they existed an

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american group and a german group

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and the evidence of them you know is

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traceable to the

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mid 19th century and that's what my book

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tries to do is show you that progression

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of what they were trying to develop and

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what their progress uh likely was

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we got more to come with walter bosley

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and gene and chris you're in the

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into back engineering and all sorts of

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corollaries here but he's wondering what

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types of modern day technologies do you

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suspect are the product of breakaway

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civilizations or

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are there any that are public um most of

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it is it would be you know classified uh

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technology particularly classified

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aerospace technology but i think the

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some of the stuff that's uh public that

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is in my opinion now um likely a result

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of this uh breakaway uh um technological

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development would be for instance when

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we read about any kind of um

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anti-gravity in the form of

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electromagnetic type of technology

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that's on the b2 bomber for example um

2171
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you can you can tie a thread from uh

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these uh

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the the airship lore and specifically um

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what i've identified as guys who were

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you know very much involved probably

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with these breakaway groups of the 19th

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century you can tie a thread between

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that technology i just mentioned

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associated with the b2 bomber and

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and a guy in in the 1890s

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who who i talk about in the book

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so

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yeah because of the nature the

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classified nature of these things you

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can't point to a whole lot

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beyond

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01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:05,920
for instance if you look at any of our

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01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:09,600
household technology that really um was

2189
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:11,120
a result of say things that were

2190
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:13,040
developed for the apollo program you

2191
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:15,520
know or what have you um anything like

2192
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:17,600
that i think or or any kind of military

2193
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,400
stuff like microwave ovens i think um if

2194
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:22,000
i'm not mistaken you know that started

2195
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,239
microwave technology the research into

2196
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,639
that i think was a navy thing if i'm if

2197
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,560
i'm not mistaken you know you you look

2198
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:30,159
what you got to do is you got to look at

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01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:31,360
at

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01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:34,480
mundane technology if you can connect it

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01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:35,280
to

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01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:38,080
its origins um being in

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01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,000
military research say during the world

2204
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:42,480
war ii of the post-world war ii era

2205
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:44,560
it's just simple patent a patent search

2206
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:46,159
yeah yeah do a patent search that kind

2207
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,320
of thing you can begin to see anything

2208
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:50,239
i'll i'll try to make a little easier

2209
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:52,000
anything that has to do with so-called

2210
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:54,719
anti-gravity technology

2211
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:56,320
particularly from

2212
01:24:02,470 --> 01:23:59,920
some type of chemical process

2213
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:02,480
or electromagnetics

2214
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:04,880
those are the kind of things that i tend

2215
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:07,600
to find traces to um the breakaway

2216
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:10,800
groups within this context of you know

2217
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:13,840
the uh the area behavior modification

2218
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:16,000
and uh mapping the human emotional

2219
01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:17,920
response to specific microwaves

2220
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:19,280
frequency and amplitude that sort of

2221
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:20,000
thing

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01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:21,120
um

2223
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,880
well how about you know and this is this

2224
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:24,480
is a question that that i've always

2225
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:26,639
wondered is if these guys are so

2226
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:29,280
omnipotent and so powerful and have all

2227
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:32,639
this money and have all this um

2228
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,800
how would i put it lust for power and uh

2229
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:38,320
and what not

2230
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:40,000
why

2231
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,880
do are we not seeing um particular

2232
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,719
individuals uh

2233
01:24:49,390 --> 01:24:47,280
lasting beyond their their mere mortal

2234
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,400
years i mean david rockefeller's

2235
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:52,080
101 now and he's had six heart

2236
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,920
transplants i believe

2237
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:56,159
god that's still that's still fairly

2238
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:57,760
conventional technology you would think

2239
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,360
somewhere as powerful as a david

2240
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:02,000
rockefeller would be funding all sorts

2241
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:05,440
of life extension uh you know research

2242
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,800
and that any sort of space uh

2243
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:10,560
you know application of a breakaway

2244
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:13,040
technology would would obviously need to

2245
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:15,360
have people that uh live longer if we're

2246
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:17,920
still using conventional um you know

2247
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,159
rocket thrust in space or actors or

2248
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:22,400
whatever but uh you would think that the

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01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:23,440
health

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01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:26,159
aspect of this because these people are

2251
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:27,760
you know they they're self-imposed

2252
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:30,159
omnipotent uh that they would be looking

2253
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:32,880
at ways of of of lengthening uh lifespan

2254
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:35,760
uh for the power elite sure so they well

2255
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,280
here's the thing that's just it they're

2256
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:39,840
not that powerful they're not omnipotent

2257
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:41,840
what it is is yeah perhaps they've

2258
01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:44,639
developed certain technologies in secret

2259
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,719
that are uh more advanced than you know

2260
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:48,400
what we're told exists

2261
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:50,239
but that's just it they're not

2262
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:52,639
omnipotent and this is the other aspect

2263
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,760
of of um the fact that you know i think

2264
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:57,360
that there are two of these groups there

2265
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,960
and i say this in my book and i've said

2266
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,719
it elsewhere but they're in opposition

2267
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:02,800
to each other okay they are not

2268
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:05,920
friendlies they're in opposition and in

2269
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,320
my opinion and i lay this out my book

2270
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:10,480
one of them is the one that wants to be

2271
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,760
totalitarian on this planet over us

2272
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:15,760
and that's the german group in my

2273
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:18,320
opinion the the group that actually you

2274
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:20,239
know is associated you know with the the

2275
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:23,040
german threat of this the other one

2276
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,560
um

2277
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:26,480
i think they just really want to just go

2278
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:28,639
away somewhere else or just want to live

2279
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,120
separately now what makes them slightly

2280
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,040
better blame them

2281
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,800
i don't blame them see that's just it

2282
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,719
thank you for mentioning that chris oh

2283
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,719
wait a minute i would do the same thing

2284
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:41,040
who are these guys and and are you know

2285
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:41,840
what

2286
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:45,199
looking at here we're looking at ages

2287
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:47,040
they became i think they became

2288
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,639
international the deeper we got into the

2289
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:50,639
20th century their origin was they were

2290
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:52,000
an american group

2291
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:54,480
uh in the post-civil wars when they

2292
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:55,360
really

2293
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,199
started pursuing certain things

2294
01:27:01,590 --> 01:26:59,360
and by the 1890s

2295
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:01,600
i think the 1890s airship mysteries in

2296
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:03,520
the united states this was the american

2297
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:04,560
group

2298
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:07,040
and up this would be in my book this was

2299
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:08,800
the american breakaway

2300
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:10,880
that was uh you know standing up and

2301
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,960
showing what they got and as we got

2302
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,639
deeper into the 20th century the

2303
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:16,239
american group you know would take

2304
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:18,560
people into their fold who fought like

2305
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,120
them and you know who who qualified and

2306
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:23,840
could be trusted you know and i think

2307
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:25,840
their view is this

2308
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:28,080
they care about us

2309
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:30,560
to the extent that they disagree with

2310
01:27:35,430 --> 01:27:33,920
the bad values of their opposition they

2311
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,440
don't in other words they don't want to

2312
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:37,920
rule over us you know like tyrants they

2313
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:40,719
just want to go away so they care about

2314
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:43,280
us to the extent that basically you know

2315
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:44,880
they don't think we should be you know

2316
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:47,600
enslaved but and also to the extent that

2317
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:49,600
they don't like the other guys but you

2318
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,679
know admittedly you know

2319
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:53,520
if they could just go away completely

2320
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:55,360
you know hey they they did their

2321
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:57,760
attitude is in my opinion they did it

2322
01:28:01,270 --> 01:28:00,480
they broke away you know if if you guys

2323
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:01,280
don't want to live under this

2324
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:03,679
totalitarian rule you do something

2325
01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:06,639
but i think the reason why the bad guy

2326
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:09,040
yeah the bad guys the reason our world

2327
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,120
isn't worse actually it could be a lot

2328
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:13,760
worse folks than it is if if the bad

2329
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:16,320
guys so to speak um it did not have

2330
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:17,679
opposition

2331
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,229
yeah they would just be openly ruling

2332
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:24,159
like tyrants but they're not because

2333
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:25,840
they can't because they're neither one

2334
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:27,360
of these groups are omnipotent all of

2335
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:28,719
this is they're just a little farther

2336
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,960
ahead than the civilization you and i

2337
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,639
live in daily okay that's all it is

2338
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:34,320
where does the american group want to go

2339
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:36,159
to

2340
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:37,760
um well see that's the question where

2341
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,600
did anyone i mean you know did they want

2342
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:41,440
to go off to some island somewhere in

2343
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:42,800
the middle of the ocean and have their

2344
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,040
little you know james bondian type of

2345
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:47,040
you know they already have that i'm just

2346
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:48,000
assuming

2347
01:28:50,709 --> 01:28:49,280
well then let's

2348
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:50,719
here's the thing where would you go if

2349
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:53,360
you had the technology to go you'd go

2350
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,520
look at other worlds right i mean

2351
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,679
i mean i do kind of go there in the book

2352
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,440
you have to you know if you're dealing

2353
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:00,960
with flying things and this advanced

2354
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:02,880
technology the minute you get the

2355
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:05,520
capability to try going out there you're

2356
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,800
going to do it um i say in the book

2357
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:11,280
i explored the possibility that they did

2358
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:12,400
do that

2359
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:13,760
before

2360
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:15,679
you know

2361
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:17,920
but uh uh so there you go to answer that

2362
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:19,760
question i'd say the obvious answer is

2363
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:21,360
you know well let's go check out the

2364
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:23,679
moon let's go check out mars maybe you

2365
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:24,400
know

2366
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:26,000
whatever

2367
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:27,600
your guess is as good as mine when you

2368
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:29,520
get to that point like i said my book

2369
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:30,719
focuses on

2370
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,960
specifically that 19th century emergence

2371
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:34,880
and gets into a little bit into the 20th

2372
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:36,560
century but i stopped

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01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:39,679
at uh you know shortly before world war

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2501
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:11,040
so walter bosley we're talking breakaway

2502
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:12,880
civilizations here

2503
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:15,760
but if i'm the casual observer and i

2504
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:17,920
look at this and i say okay this is just

2505
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:20,800
another conspiracy theory what do i see

2506
01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:22,719
in the things that are going on in our

2507
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:25,120
current society where we need some

2508
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:26,960
intervention because it's a pretty big

2509
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:29,760
mess is that their doing or are we just

2510
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:32,080
so good at screwing things up ourselves

2511
01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:34,320
we don't need any help

2512
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:36,159
the answer is yes

2513
01:35:41,910 --> 01:35:38,400
it's both it's you you've got here's the

2514
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:41,920
thing totalitarians they take advantage

2515
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:43,520
of human weakness

2516
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:46,960
so uh humanity has this uh uh you know

2517
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:48,400
the downside

2518
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,800
to humanity is yeah we have an ability

2519
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:52,800
to screw things up on our own in a

2520
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:56,480
classic way and these totalitarian guys

2521
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:58,480
they just what they do is they take

2522
01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:01,360
advantage of that and just pile on with

2523
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:04,239
their particular policies and actions so

2524
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:06,639
it's actually both i mean a lot of the

2525
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:08,480
stuff for example that's going on in

2526
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:10,719
american society right now is just from

2527
01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:13,679
plain ridiculous ignorance and stupidity

2528
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,239
people acting like you know we have

2529
01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:18,400
people acting like little kids you know

2530
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:20,080
around the schoolyard and there's

2531
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:21,920
nothing sinister in it other than you

2532
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:24,719
know the extent of how dumb and immature

2533
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:25,840
people are

2534
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:27,520
now how do you really feel about the

2535
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:30,080
american public

2536
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:30,880
yeah

2537
01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:32,800
and and then what happens is you know

2538
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:35,679
any any totalitarian element is gonna

2539
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:38,000
see that and they're gonna seize on that

2540
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,280
and they're just going to take advantage

2541
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,600
of it it's you know it makes we're

2542
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:43,760
really making their job easier when

2543
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:46,320
we're so divisive and and we nitpick

2544
01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:48,320
over every little thing you know i i

2545
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:50,159
think it's by design i think divide and

2546
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:52,880
conquer and i i have a real

2547
01:36:57,109 --> 01:36:55,119
real sense that there's a a very

2548
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:57,119
effective dumbing down program that's

2549
01:37:01,109 --> 01:36:59,199
been enacted before this uh for the

2550
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:01,119
western west in general

2551
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:02,800
yeah and see what you're describing

2552
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,159
there that's part of what i'm saying

2553
01:37:09,109 --> 01:37:06,560
when they take advantage of the natural

2554
01:37:11,189 --> 01:37:09,119
situation that's it makes it easier for

2555
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:11,199
them to do these mind control things it

2556
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:12,960
makes it easier for them to do these

2557
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,679
little influence

2558
01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:17,199
tactics

2559
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:18,719
see that's what i mean by taking

2560
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:21,440
advantage of the just the natural state

2561
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:24,719
of uh chaos that has been created and

2562
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:27,280
yeah i've i imprint you know in other

2563
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:29,119
places i've said that there are certain

2564
01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:32,159
major events that i think were

2565
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:36,159
very likely done to get us to this state

2566
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:38,480
of divided chaos why don't you give us a

2567
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:41,920
list of them that's 911 good subject

2568
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:44,320
911 is probably the biggest one that i

2569
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:46,000
can point to um

2570
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:47,760
you know i'm of the school of thought

2571
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:50,000
that that was a multi-leveled uh

2572
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:52,239
operation within an op within an op kind

2573
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:53,199
of thing

2574
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:55,440
um and you know

2575
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:57,760
i'm sorry i the idea that it was some

2576
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:00,080
evil scheme cooked up by bush and cheney

2577
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:02,719
i have to keep from laughing because the

2578
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:04,800
what 9 11 one was

2579
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:07,280
was much bigger than something those two

2580
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:09,760
guys could have or would have done okay

2581
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,320
so so let's set that aside the one thing

2582
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:14,800
also to bear in mind here is that

2583
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:17,920
probably they were both too incompetent

2584
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:20,719
to have done any of this they just took

2585
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:25,199
advantage of it or tried to well i i i i

2586
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:26,800
yes

2587
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:29,760
cheney was running five uh air force

2588
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,320
operations the the same day i mean uh

2589
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:34,480
vigilant guardian was one there was oh

2590
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:37,280
yeah two operations involving uh you

2591
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:39,679
know hijacked airliners uh crashing into

2592
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:42,880
buildings uh in new york in dc there was

2593
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:45,360
a drill that the san bernardino

2594
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:48,080
uh you know swat teams had uh drills

2595
01:38:52,870 --> 01:38:49,679
going every one of these false flag

2596
01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:52,880
events have had concurrent uh the boston

2597
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:55,119
bombing uh you know

2598
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:57,920
they've had concurrent uh preparedness

2599
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:00,480
uh yeah sure drills that actually are

2600
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:03,119
are a mirror image of what actually uh

2601
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,199
occurred yeah yeah i didn't explain that

2602
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,920
that's beyond coincidence

2603
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:09,520
of course it's not coincidence and let

2604
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,000
me explain it from my perspective um

2605
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:14,560
when i was with osi i was uh chief of a

2606
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:15,440
um

2607
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:17,280
counter espionage operations branch that

2608
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:19,119
gets into double agentry and that's

2609
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:21,199
about the extent i can talk you know

2610
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:23,920
specifically about that but in here's

2611
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:26,960
the thing um when you're in that line of

2612
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:28,480
work

2613
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:30,239
you know you're dealing with

2614
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:33,440
the reality and the possibility of moles

2615
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:35,520
and people that have been planted in

2616
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:38,400
organizations now here's the thing

2617
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:41,760
if i had my guy planted um in an

2618
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:43,600
organization or a group

2619
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:46,159
um say within cheney's inner circle

2620
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,239
and he had access to he or she had

2621
01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:50,320
access to these things you've just cited

2622
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:52,000
that cheney was running and stuff like

2623
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:53,440
that

2624
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:55,119
my mole would be coming back reporting

2625
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:56,639
to me well this is what this guy's doing

2626
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:58,320
this is what he's got set up whatever

2627
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:00,800
now what i'd be thinking is okay

2628
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,199
how can i piggyback on that take

2629
01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:05,280
advantage of this and perpetrate my

2630
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:06,800
awful act

2631
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:10,880
and because of these facts

2632
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:13,520
make it look make people look to that

2633
01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:16,080
guy in other words my mole working with

2634
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,920
cheney would say hey cheney is vice

2635
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,280
president is going to be doing this and

2636
01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:21,600
the other blah blah i would say okay our

2637
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:24,320
plan when we pull off this this this

2638
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:27,840
atrocious act is going to be to do it in

2639
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:30,400
a way gosh cheney's doing these uh

2640
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,719
exercises and models looking at planes

2641
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,320
running into buildings we'll have planes

2642
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,400
fly into buildings okay he's doing this

2643
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:38,639
with with okay we'll have guys do this

2644
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:41,280
and what will what it will result in is

2645
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:43,440
the suspicious public looking at this

2646
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:44,719
they're going to look at cheney and what

2647
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:46,320
he was doing and say oh it was him or it

2648
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:49,440
was him when actually it could very well

2649
01:40:54,550 --> 01:40:52,320
have been somebody else who was aware of

2650
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:54,560
these exercises in these models and

2651
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:56,400
things like that and said great thanks

2652
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:58,080
for giving me the idea

2653
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,159
okay it's like for instance i came on

2654
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:02,159
here a few minutes ago and i said you

2655
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:03,600
know i'm worried about disneyland

2656
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:04,960
because it'd be very easy to get in

2657
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:06,960
there well it'd be like a terrorist

2658
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:09,119
listening to us and going and attacking

2659
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:11,119
disneyland and then somebody get on here

2660
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:13,040
and say it was bosley it was bosley see

2661
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:14,400
because he said he's worried about

2662
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:15,679
disneyland getting attacked and it

2663
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:18,560
happened that's the same thing well

2664
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:21,520
taken yeah you know so and this is what

2665
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:23,280
i'm talking about it illustrates this op

2666
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:24,800
within and off within and off yeah

2667
01:41:29,109 --> 01:41:26,480
you're absolutely right there were some

2668
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:29,119
scary things going on with our military

2669
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:31,119
and national security structure on that

2670
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,239
day and i have long said and thought

2671
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,480
that yes totally the perpetrators had

2672
01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:38,480
moles here's the story that hasn't been

2673
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:41,119
told that has not been told is as a

2674
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:44,080
counter espionage guy i'm i i want to

2675
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:46,560
know who in these government agencies

2676
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:48,400
was feeding information as to this

2677
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:50,880
exercise that exercise that drill

2678
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:53,040
because they had to have had somebody

2679
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,119
inside there feeding the perpetrators on

2680
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:57,600
911 this kind of information they had to

2681
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:00,639
have and it's probably a classified

2682
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,119
investigation that you know

2683
01:42:07,109 --> 01:42:05,679
the implications are which that 15 14

2684
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:07,119
years later we haven't heard anything

2685
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:09,119
about this angle at all

2686
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,719
we hear all the conspiracy theories

2687
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:12,960
about bush and cheney but you know well

2688
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:15,280
here's one for you seymour stein of

2689
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:18,480
course who uh put a terrorism clause in

2690
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:21,199
his insurance policy shortly before the

2691
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:22,560
world trade centers were brought down

2692
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:24,639
probably to eliminate them having to be

2693
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,480
taken down because of asbestos that's my

2694
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:29,119
own personal feeling um not to mention

2695
01:42:32,470 --> 01:42:30,960
uh world trade center number seven which

2696
01:42:34,189 --> 01:42:32,480
80 percent of the american population

2697
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:34,199
doesn't even know fell

2698
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:37,360
47-story building um but here's an

2699
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:38,960
interesting one seymour stein just

2700
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:41,360
bought i think what was it the sears

2701
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:44,159
tower in chicago

2702
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:46,159
i would think if somebody uh is working

2703
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:53,030
attention on on mr stein uh the one who

2704
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:55,520
who famously was uh you know

2705
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:57,679
recorded saying oh you might as well

2706
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:59,679
pull it talking about world trade center

2707
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:01,280
number seven and i think less than an

2708
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:02,719
hour later the building came down in its

2709
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:05,760
own footprint in six seconds yeah

2710
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:09,199
uh yeah building seven that's yeah

2711
01:43:13,510 --> 01:43:11,520
yeah you know but uh

2712
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:13,520
that the 14th floor where the fire

2713
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:15,760
supposedly started was the second

2714
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:18,719
largest cia outpost outside of langley

2715
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,280
it was the uh where the s uh the

2716
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:23,840
securities and exchange commission

2717
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:26,159
criminal uh investigation files were

2718
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:28,239
kept especially on enron sure and also

2719
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:30,560
yeah giuliani's uh emergency

2720
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,560
preparedness headquarters his command

2721
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:34,239
bunker

2722
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:36,560
i talk about synchronicity

2723
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:40,320
so so much multi-level um activity with

2724
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:43,360
911 that you know a bunch of people had

2725
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:45,760
some of their nefarious stuff covered by

2726
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:47,040
you know the destruction of certain

2727
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:50,159
material and you know the whatever point

2728
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:58,070
and that's why i identify 911 as one of

2729
01:44:01,990 --> 01:44:00,320
those events i think it's possible to

2730
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:02,000
name another event i think it's possible

2731
01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:03,840
that the 1986

2732
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:05,920
challenge of shuttle disaster was

2733
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:08,000
sabotage

2734
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,639
just to slow the us down and to to steal

2735
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,480
some of our prestige

2736
01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:14,880
that was our first major in-flight space

2737
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:17,440
accident well it's this was now remember

2738
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:19,760
i'm coming at the angle that um you know

2739
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:23,119
a major aspect of these events

2740
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:25,760
is to um inject

2741
01:44:31,990 --> 01:44:29,119
uh uh negative psychological magic as it

2742
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:32,000
were into the psyche of the public of

2743
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:35,760
the nation and think about it in in 1986

2744
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:38,320
um for the longest time you know through

2745
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:40,239
the nasa program through apollo and

2746
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:42,080
stuff we were going through a tumultuous

2747
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,239
period where really about the only thing

2748
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:46,560
americans had to look to that that we

2749
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:48,320
could have some national pride in was

2750
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,560
our space program right i mean it seemed

2751
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:52,960
like you know we we did that right

2752
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:55,040
and to see millions and millions of

2753
01:44:58,709 --> 01:44:56,560
americans that were looking forward to

2754
01:45:00,790 --> 01:44:58,719
the uh the promised impact of

2755
01:45:02,550 --> 01:45:00,800
trickle-down economics and we were six

2756
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,560
years into uh eight years of a reagan

2757
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:04,320
presidency at that point yeah and and

2758
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:06,239
and the one thing that we

2759
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:08,239
you know could all say hey well at least

2760
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,320
our space program we're still you know

2761
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:12,239
we're still number one you know out in

2762
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:13,119
space

2763
01:45:17,430 --> 01:45:15,520
and so it was natural well you know

2764
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,440
let's hit them here we've got to do our

2765
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:19,440
break let's hit this announcement here

2766
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:21,520
walter bosley with gene and chris you're

2767
01:45:33,070 --> 01:45:32,149
thank you for listening to gcn

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2770
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2772
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:44,480
protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2775
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:51,440
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2776
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:53,040
her distant planet are planning to

2777
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:55,280
conquer the earth this is gripping

2778
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science fiction of the classic kind

2779
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attack of the rockoids and the coming of

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order online the site went down it took

2785
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:14,159
hours before it returned but i'd already

2786
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your site goes down you could lose

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2791
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2792
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2793
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:34,080
to a sales rep at iweb.com use the promo

2794
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2795
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2796
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:43,840
important message right now the highest

2797
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:45,840
levels of government are struggling

2798
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:48,320
against an inevitable crisis but they're

2799
01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:51,440
about to lose control when this happens

2800
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:54,159
it will rip our country apart in ways

2801
01:46:59,109 --> 01:46:56,800
you never imagined from where we shop to

2802
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:59,119
the family you want to protect look i've

2803
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:01,440
made predictions like this before a few

2804
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:03,440
years ago i warned that the housing

2805
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:05,760
prices would collapse before that i

2806
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:07,920
warned that dot-com companies would

2807
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:10,560
crash and they did those who listened

2808
01:47:15,189 --> 01:47:13,119
had a chance to save themselves but this

2809
01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:15,199
has nothing to do with the stock market

2810
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:17,920
this will affect us all i've posted a

2811
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:22,080
free video at disappearingdollar.com

2812
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:24,000
you'll disagree with my conclusions but

2813
01:47:29,030 --> 01:47:26,320
first you need to watch this video and

2814
01:47:31,710 --> 01:47:29,040
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2815
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2818
01:47:46,070 --> 01:47:40,140
again that's disappearing dollar dot com

2819
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:49,270
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2820
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:52,960
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2821
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:54,239
and now

2822
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:02,229
oh boy

2823
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:04,960
what can i say

2824
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:06,639
okay so was the

2825
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:09,199
assassination of john lennon also due to

2826
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:11,040
a breakaway civilization's action

2827
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:13,600
because he had such an influence on our

2828
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:17,199
society i i've not really looked at

2829
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:19,119
assassination that closely i do think

2830
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:21,040
there's strangeness with it don't get me

2831
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,719
wrong i i don't disagree you want to

2832
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:24,480
hear the strangest thing

2833
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:26,080
what's that

2834
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:26,960
uh

2835
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:29,119
mark david chapman was hired

2836
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:31,920
by john hinckley's dad who was the head

2837
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:34,480
of the world

2838
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:35,600
was it the

2839
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:38,320
the florida-based charity organization

2840
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:40,719
that he ran john hinckley senior

2841
01:48:44,830 --> 01:48:43,840
uh actually hired mark david chapman as

2842
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:44,840
one of his

2843
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:47,040
his missionaries for for the

2844
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:49,119
organization i just figured i'd throw

2845
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:51,600
that out there wow that's

2846
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:53,760
what do you say about that of course we

2847
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:56,159
all know that john hinckley was uh

2848
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:58,880
his son was

2849
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,800
the alleged assassin attempted

2850
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:02,880
assassination of ronald reagan uh soon

2851
01:49:06,070 --> 01:49:04,960
after i became president in 80

2852
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:06,080
and uh

2853
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:08,239
and it's interesting of course that um

2854
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:10,560
hinckley senior also had just recently

2855
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:13,119
sold uh 30 million dollars worth of dry

2856
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:15,520
oil wells to george walker bush who uh

2857
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:17,040
happened to be vice president at the

2858
01:49:21,189 --> 01:49:19,360
time yeah

2859
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:21,199
i don't want to go down those roads

2860
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:23,199
they're just they're too coincidental

2861
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:26,560
yeah yeah now here's the thing i tie in

2862
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,560
um empire the will three the nameless

2863
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:30,320
ones i i have a list of these events

2864
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:31,679
we're talking about

2865
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:35,040
and i see where there are interesting

2866
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:37,119
thematic ties between the challenger

2867
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,000
shuttle

2868
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:40,560
disaster or sabotage as i propose

2869
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:43,119
theoretically and the jfk assassination

2870
01:49:47,590 --> 01:49:45,760
now jfk is famously the president who

2871
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:47,600
kicked us off on you know going to the

2872
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:50,239
moon and you know he's really you know

2873
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:52,400
one of the symbols of going to the moon

2874
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:54,639
that kind of thing that built us up as a

2875
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:57,040
as a nation during the so-called cold

2876
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:58,960
war and all that

2877
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:01,280
to attack us to sabotage one of the

2878
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:04,480
shuttles so publicly as as that was done

2879
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:05,760
as i think

2880
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:08,159
to me that was an extension of the jfk

2881
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:10,320
assassination in other words it was the

2882
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:12,719
the final nail in his coffin look here's

2883
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:14,880
his legacy his greatest legacy to the

2884
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:17,199
nation you know being this let's go to

2885
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:19,040
the moon and and look what it did for

2886
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:21,280
our national pride and our

2887
01:50:26,070 --> 01:50:23,520
our national psyche it was a good thing

2888
01:50:27,270 --> 01:50:26,080
here's our final strike the guy we're

2889
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:27,280
putting the nail in the coffin we're

2890
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:30,400
killing it we're hitting his legacy and

2891
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:32,320
it really was a blow you know to our

2892
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:33,119
whole

2893
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:34,639
you know because we hadn't had something

2894
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:36,719
like that since chris and chaffey and

2895
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:38,639
white died on the launch pad in the

2896
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:41,119
early apollo age but

2897
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:42,719
you know that now we're getting back

2898
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:44,960
into you know the strange you know

2899
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:47,520
almost synchronous type thematic stuff

2900
01:50:51,669 --> 01:50:50,320
and and yeah i do think i do think that

2901
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:51,679
there's some

2902
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:54,400
group that was orchestrating that big

2903
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:56,800
question that is also so difficult to

2904
01:51:01,510 --> 01:50:58,960
handle how do we prove that how do we

2905
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:01,520
prove there was sabotage with

2906
01:51:05,590 --> 01:51:03,679
that shuttle disaster

2907
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:05,600
it was sabotage

2908
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:07,760
with any of these events

2909
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:09,920
it's like trying to identify who the

2910
01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:12,320
zodiac killer was you're not going to do

2911
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:13,679
it the farther you get away from the

2912
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:16,320
event here's the thing the sabotage

2913
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:18,080
could have very well have had to do with

2914
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:19,360
that o-ring

2915
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:21,440
so you know the morton thiocol o-ring

2916
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:22,400
issue

2917
01:51:27,910 --> 01:51:25,520
that that's that's valid but you know i

2918
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:27,920
would say that the sabotage

2919
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,800
was likely with the o-ring and that was

2920
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:33,280
destroyed so you know you're not going

2921
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:34,239
to uh

2922
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:36,000
as far as the evidence to prove the

2923
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:38,560
sabotage ain't gonna happen unless you

2924
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:41,119
were to have someone come forth and and

2925
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:43,040
say i did it i know who did it and

2926
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:45,280
here's the proof the evidence that's the

2927
01:51:49,510 --> 01:51:46,880
thing and that's kind of what they count

2928
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:49,520
on is you know destroy the evidence

2929
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:50,960
within the act

2930
01:51:55,910 --> 01:51:54,000
with time less and less people care

2931
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:55,920
it gets harder and harder to to prove

2932
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:57,599
these things so they have that on their

2933
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:58,480
side

2934
01:52:04,070 --> 01:52:01,520
well yeah i see the rationale there

2935
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:04,080
you know time marches on and uh feelings

2936
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:05,360
fade you know

2937
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:06,880
and then young people who are being

2938
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:09,040
dumbed down to begin with uh

2939
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:10,880
i bet you there's a sizable percentage

2940
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:11,840
of them that don't even know what the

2941
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:14,320
challenger was that's right

2942
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:17,920
that's right you know um

2943
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:18,719
so

2944
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,199
you know it's all it's all relative and

2945
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:23,760
all the same things tend to come back

2946
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:25,679
you know in a circle where you know

2947
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:28,320
subsequent generations

2948
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:30,639
you know have to have to relearn certain

2949
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,119
things that the previous generations are

2950
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:35,599
screaming and yelling about and uh

2951
01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:38,480
you know it's just life goes on well one

2952
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:41,119
of our good posters uh he he always

2953
01:52:44,470 --> 01:52:42,880
posts good questions here at

2954
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:44,480
forum.paracast

2955
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:47,040
where our readers and foreign

2956
01:52:51,589 --> 01:52:48,639
participants can ask questions of our

2957
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:51,599
guests and this is techno mage and he's

2958
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:52,960
asking if you

2959
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:55,760
are aware of any well-known people

2960
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:57,920
that could be identified as belonging to

2961
01:53:01,910 --> 01:53:00,560
one of these breakaway civilizations or

2962
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:01,920
is that even

2963
01:53:06,709 --> 01:53:04,800
even possible to even attempt to do that

2964
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:06,719
well what i attempt to do in the book is

2965
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:08,960
identify certainly identify

2966
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:10,239
historical

2967
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:13,199
figures and people from history and the

2968
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:14,960
difference being you know historical

2969
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:17,360
figures implies famous well-known

2970
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:18,880
you know and then people from history

2971
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:20,560
maybe lesser known folks

2972
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:23,119
it's easier to look back

2973
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:25,119
and say hey you know there's this guy

2974
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:26,400
there's that guy and these guys were

2975
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,040
probably connected with this but the

2976
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:31,199
nature of these breakaways is that they

2977
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:33,599
are very secretive and that's part of

2978
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:36,800
the criteria for being brought into them

2979
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:38,719
is you have to be the kind of person

2980
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:41,119
that you know does not want

2981
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:42,880
the uh the

2982
01:53:46,470 --> 01:53:45,040
the spotlight on you you know you don't

2983
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:46,480
want to be known

2984
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:48,480
and that's what they're i think

2985
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:50,400
particularly as we got

2986
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:51,840
farther into the 20th century that

2987
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:53,520
became even more

2988
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:55,599
of a requirement that's not to say that

2989
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:56,719
there aren't

2990
01:54:01,109 --> 01:53:58,560
famous people that you can point to that

2991
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:01,119
are aware for instance i would say a guy

2992
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:03,599
like and this is just completely out of

2993
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:05,360
my hat you know to answer the question

2994
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:07,119
to give an example

2995
01:54:11,430 --> 01:54:08,960
if i were to guess my opinion is a guy

2996
01:54:12,709 --> 01:54:11,440
like bill gates would

2997
01:54:13,510 --> 01:54:12,719
probably

2998
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:13,520
be

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01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:14,880
more aware

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of what the deal is with the you know

3001
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:19,119
breakaways than you or i would simply

3002
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:22,480
because you know he's this giant in his

3003
01:54:26,470 --> 01:54:24,880
industry that is so critical to

3004
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:26,480
everything you know i think he's the

3005
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:28,400
richest one of the richest people on the

3006
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,760
planet i think the guy in mexico is the

3007
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:31,440
richest but at one point he was a

3008
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:33,760
trillionaire which not many people can

3009
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:35,440
say how

3010
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:37,760
large and extensive and how

3011
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:38,960
um

3012
01:54:43,990 --> 01:54:41,520
in depth do you think his intelligence

3013
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:44,000
arm is do you think he has a you know a

3014
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:46,080
bureau of of gates intelligence that

3015
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:48,560
goes around uh digging into things here

3016
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:49,920
and there with that kind of money you

3017
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could fund any sort of yeah of

3018
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:55,119
intelligence operation here's the thing

3019
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:57,199
the fact that you and i both know that

3020
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all of us know that he could have that

3021
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:02,960
implies that it's likely he has

3022
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,360
something like that to some degree i i'd

3023
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:07,760
be surprised if he doesn't have his you

3024
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:10,080
know little research unit i'd be

3025
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:12,320
extremely disappointed

3026
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:14,800
yeah come on if i had his resources i'd

3027
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:16,560
have a whole team of people swarming

3028
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:18,400
over all these issues that i'd want to

3029
01:55:21,669 --> 01:55:19,760
know more about you know the kind of

3030
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:21,679
things where we three and your listeners

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are interested in and if i had his

3032
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:25,119
resources i'd be out there with my guys

3033
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:26,880
crawling all over these ancient sites

3034
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:29,040
and you know these sites where you know

3035
01:55:32,070 --> 01:55:30,400
strange things happen you know like in

3036
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:32,080
your neck of the woods i mean you know

3037
01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:34,159
kind of like what uh what's his name you

3038
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:35,760
know was supposedly going to do with the

3039
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:38,080
uh the skywalker ranch you know he had

3040
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:40,239
the resources gonna do all the skinheads

3041
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:42,480
yeah yeah robert bigelow yeah i'm sorry

3042
01:55:46,629 --> 01:55:45,040
and lawrence rockefeller i mean i i

3043
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:46,639
you know had the uh

3044
01:55:51,589 --> 01:55:49,440
kind of just weird misfortune to uh

3045
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,599
spend two days with him and and and you

3046
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:53,440
know really picked his brain on all

3047
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:55,280
kinds of subjects including

3048
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:57,199
uh the idea of of

3049
01:55:59,910 --> 01:55:58,320
i didn't call it a breakaway

3050
01:56:02,310 --> 01:55:59,920
civilization the term really hadn't been

3051
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:02,320
coined yet but but i talked to him about

3052
01:56:07,430 --> 01:56:04,560
you know the the the cabal the ruling

3053
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cabal and any sort of uh secret

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arrangements that they have to run

3055
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things on the planet and of course is

3056
01:56:16,149 --> 01:56:13,920
his answer he he gave me with a chuckles

3057
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:16,159
if you think that you know we're busy

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guys and if you think we could even

3059
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agree on a place to meet in in a and

3060
01:56:24,070 --> 01:56:22,480
have a time frame that would work

3061
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let alone even agree on what to talk

3062
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about you know you're sadly mistaken and

3063
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,719
i of course i didn't believe him but but

3064
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i thought it was a very uh it was an

3065
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:33,920
interesting response uh to the uh

3066
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:35,760
to the question and then when i asked

3067
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him if you know why everybody on on this

3068
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new thing called the internet thinks his

3069
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little brother david is the antichrist

3070
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he almost died from apoplexy from

3071
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laughing so hard

3072
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:47,599
and my meeting with him was over and i i

3073
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i went home i thought i killed him uh

3074
01:56:54,550 --> 01:56:52,480
yeah inadvertently with a joke um well i

3075
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know a lot of jokes that i tell kill

3076
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people

3077
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and that's why i don't tell jokes very

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often let's just continue obviously

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we're

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making people apoplectic here

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probably because he knew too much

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we've got walter bosley talking about

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so is chris o'brien from a breakaway

3202
02:02:07,750 --> 02:02:05,360
civilization walter bosley what is the

3203
02:02:09,030 --> 02:02:07,760
end game here what's really going on

3204
02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:09,040
what is

3205
02:02:13,350 --> 02:02:11,440
the goal of this breakaway civilization

3206
02:02:14,310 --> 02:02:13,360
both of them what is what are their

3207
02:02:17,990 --> 02:02:14,320
goals

3208
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:18,000
is it really and truly to take us over

3209
02:02:22,550 --> 02:02:19,920
this would be the great time to do it

3210
02:02:25,510 --> 02:02:22,560
sure and we might we might very well be

3211
02:02:27,350 --> 02:02:25,520
in in the era where that's being you

3212
02:02:28,870 --> 02:02:27,360
know they're working towards that uh

3213
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:28,880
here's already been taken over by

3214
02:02:34,390 --> 02:02:31,679
ourselves by our ignorance and stupidity

3215
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:34,400
i mean it's it's yeah well

3216
02:02:37,589 --> 02:02:35,920
you know right organization an

3217
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:37,599
organization wants to come in as the

3218
02:02:42,310 --> 02:02:39,920
property manager so to speak here's the

3219
02:02:44,149 --> 02:02:42,320
thing both groups want the same thing

3220
02:02:47,669 --> 02:02:44,159
they want a world

3221
02:02:49,990 --> 02:02:47,679
created in their vision that as they see

3222
02:02:52,149 --> 02:02:50,000
fit now one of them just wants to go

3223
02:02:55,270 --> 02:02:52,159
somewhere else to do it i think the

3224
02:02:57,910 --> 02:02:55,280
other one in my opinion just wants to

3225
02:03:00,390 --> 02:02:57,920
make this world molded within their

3226
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:00,400
vision for their own benefit now you

3227
02:03:05,669 --> 02:03:02,719
know they these are the guys who uh you

3228
02:03:08,229 --> 02:03:05,679
know see us as the the useless what do

3229
02:03:11,350 --> 02:03:08,239
they say the useless eaters or whatever

3230
02:03:14,070 --> 02:03:11,360
and the so-called slave labor for for

3231
02:03:15,750 --> 02:03:14,080
their world to put it dramatically and

3232
02:03:18,229 --> 02:03:15,760
these are the ones who are pushing uh

3233
02:03:20,709 --> 02:03:18,239
globalism these are the ones who you

3234
02:03:23,350 --> 02:03:20,719
know are pushing whatever

3235
02:03:27,669 --> 02:03:23,360
um corrals us

3236
02:03:29,350 --> 02:03:27,679
into uh just going along uh to get along

3237
02:03:30,870 --> 02:03:29,360
and i know that sounds the opposite of

3238
02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:30,880
us complaining about how everything's

3239
02:03:37,030 --> 02:03:33,360
divisive that's another discussion in

3240
02:03:38,470 --> 02:03:37,040
their pursuit for a very similar thing

3241
02:03:40,229 --> 02:03:38,480
um

3242
02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:40,239
they're they're going about it in very

3243
02:03:44,709 --> 02:03:43,360
different ways and one of those is bad

3244
02:03:46,229 --> 02:03:44,719
for us

3245
02:03:48,870 --> 02:03:46,239
um

3246
02:03:51,109 --> 02:03:48,880
you know and i i it really it just comes

3247
02:03:53,030 --> 02:03:51,119
down to the age-old you know

3248
02:03:55,109 --> 02:03:53,040
they want to rule the world they want to

3249
02:03:56,470 --> 02:03:55,119
rule their own world and that it's the

3250
02:03:57,830 --> 02:03:56,480
oldest story

3251
02:03:59,750 --> 02:03:57,840
that's really what it is they want to

3252
02:04:02,070 --> 02:03:59,760
rule their own world they want to set

3253
02:04:04,229 --> 02:04:02,080
themselves up as as gods of their own

3254
02:04:06,550 --> 02:04:04,239
realm it looks to me like it wouldn't be

3255
02:04:09,030 --> 02:04:06,560
too hard though well think about it what

3256
02:04:10,870 --> 02:04:09,040
is it that said was it asimov or whoever

3257
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or clark that said any sufficient

3258
02:04:15,270 --> 02:04:13,119
technology would be like magic you know

3259
02:04:17,270 --> 02:04:15,280
traditionally what do the gods have at

3260
02:04:18,870 --> 02:04:17,280
their beck and call at their fingertips

3261
02:04:20,070 --> 02:04:18,880
magic so to speak whether it's

3262
02:04:22,790 --> 02:04:20,080
technology

3263
02:04:25,510 --> 02:04:22,800
or or real hocus pocus kind of doesn't

3264
02:04:26,950 --> 02:04:25,520
matter as long as you've got it and you

3265
02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:26,960
know so in

3266
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:28,800
in a sense that's what these guys are

3267
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:30,639
hoping to do with this advanced

3268
02:04:35,350 --> 02:04:33,040
technology is to make themselves gods

3269
02:04:37,910 --> 02:04:35,360
this leads us into the whole discussion

3270
02:04:39,910 --> 02:04:37,920
on transhumanism and what the real goal

3271
02:04:41,510 --> 02:04:39,920
is there and that leads back to chris's

3272
02:04:42,950 --> 02:04:41,520
comment about well why don't they do

3273
02:04:45,109 --> 02:04:42,960
something with medical technology where

3274
02:04:46,870 --> 02:04:45,119
they can live forever well my friend do

3275
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:46,880
transhumanism that's exactly what

3276
02:04:52,390 --> 02:04:49,280
they're pursuing it's the ultimate the

3277
02:04:54,310 --> 02:04:52,400
idea is to transfer the human

3278
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:54,320
consciousness and awareness from one

3279
02:04:59,030 --> 02:04:56,639
body to the next oh

3280
02:05:01,030 --> 02:04:59,040
man could you imagine

3281
02:05:03,109 --> 02:05:01,040
dick cheney being put into a robot or

3282
02:05:06,070 --> 02:05:03,119
some young kid oh my there's worse

3283
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:06,080
there's worse guys than him but um uh

3284
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:07,520
that's the thing is

3285
02:05:10,629 --> 02:05:08,800
you don't need to make your body live

3286
02:05:13,589 --> 02:05:10,639
forever and ever you just use a body for

3287
02:05:15,270 --> 02:05:13,599
its natural span and then you move into

3288
02:05:16,709 --> 02:05:15,280
another body you know and i'm not the

3289
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:16,719
only one you know this idea is an

3290
02:05:20,310 --> 02:05:18,400
original with me but that's my

3291
02:05:22,070 --> 02:05:20,320
understanding from talking with you know

3292
02:05:24,149 --> 02:05:22,080
people that have really delved into this

3293
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:24,159
and pointed things out that you know

3294
02:05:27,510 --> 02:05:25,440
that's why they're pursuing

3295
02:05:29,669 --> 02:05:27,520
transhumanist technologies you know

3296
02:05:31,189 --> 02:05:29,679
that's that's truly frightening i mean

3297
02:05:33,750 --> 02:05:31,199
evil

3298
02:05:35,510 --> 02:05:33,760
for literally potentially forever is is

3299
02:05:37,510 --> 02:05:35,520
just it's too much for my poor feeble

3300
02:05:40,149 --> 02:05:37,520
brain to handle well you got to remember

3301
02:05:42,070 --> 02:05:40,159
this it's not just the evil guys who are

3302
02:05:43,990 --> 02:05:42,080
likely pursuing this and taking

3303
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:44,000
advantage of it there's probably what

3304
02:05:48,070 --> 02:05:46,159
we'd call good guys out there that are

3305
02:05:50,790 --> 02:05:48,080
also pursuing this too you know here's

3306
02:05:53,189 --> 02:05:50,800
the thing this idea of good and evil and

3307
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:53,199
rotten people and you know right people

3308
02:05:57,189 --> 02:05:54,800
uh good people you know that's all

3309
02:05:59,189 --> 02:05:57,199
relative this has gone on since time

3310
02:06:00,950 --> 02:05:59,199
began and it will continue to go on

3311
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:00,960
we're always going to have that and

3312
02:06:03,990 --> 02:06:02,480
that's why we always have to watch out

3313
02:06:06,070 --> 02:06:04,000
for the people with their hands on the

3314
02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:06,080
controls of civilization

3315
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:07,920
you know that's why we have to watch our

3316
02:06:12,149 --> 02:06:10,480
backs that's why we got to remind them

3317
02:06:14,229 --> 02:06:12,159
that you know if they get too far out of

3318
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:14,239
line they'll be yanked out

3319
02:06:18,750 --> 02:06:16,400
you know well here's a question from sue

3320
02:06:20,950 --> 02:06:18,760
who's been a poster at

3321
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:20,960
forum.theparacast.com the question bank

3322
02:06:24,390 --> 02:06:22,960
where she uh pops up every now and then

3323
02:06:26,629 --> 02:06:24,400
and asks questions of our guest just

3324
02:06:28,629 --> 02:06:26,639
like you can if you sign up at

3325
02:06:30,310 --> 02:06:28,639
forum.paracast.com

3326
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:30,320
and she's wondering if you're familiar

3327
02:06:33,830 --> 02:06:31,920
with mac tony's work on crypto

3328
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:33,840
terrestrials which i know you are

3329
02:06:37,669 --> 02:06:36,159
and if so what's your opinion of it does

3330
02:06:39,669 --> 02:06:37,679
it fit in or

3331
02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:39,679
does it diverge from your own work

3332
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:41,280
actually yeah not only am i familiar

3333
02:06:45,109 --> 02:06:43,520
with it but anytime you see him i think

3334
02:06:48,069 --> 02:06:45,119
in one maybe two of his books but

3335
02:06:50,149 --> 02:06:48,079
definitely one he tells a story about

3336
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:50,159
from an author named ea guest well

3337
02:06:54,229 --> 02:06:52,239
that's me that's my pseudonym that i

3338
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:54,239
used when i had sensitive employment in

3339
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:56,719
the early 2000s walter bosley couldn't

3340
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:58,880
be out there as a writer so i used that

3341
02:07:02,870 --> 02:07:01,280
pseudonym ea guest i started using it

3342
02:07:05,350 --> 02:07:02,880
for fiction and then i used it for

3343
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:05,360
non-fiction articles well that's me i am

3344
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:06,719
ea guest and

3345
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:09,199
in in the stuff he's talking about in

3346
02:07:13,350 --> 02:07:11,360
his crypt of terrestrials work that has

3347
02:07:15,990 --> 02:07:13,360
to do with you know the subterranean

3348
02:07:17,669 --> 02:07:16,000
civilizations that's my father's account

3349
02:07:18,550 --> 02:07:17,679
to me that he told over the course of

3350
02:07:21,109 --> 02:07:18,560
years

3351
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:21,119
of his experience with that stuff so

3352
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:23,840
yeah i never met mac i never met him

3353
02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:25,520
friends of mine greg bishop of course as

3354
02:07:29,589 --> 02:07:27,280
you know and paul kimmel and them they

3355
02:07:33,510 --> 02:07:29,599
they knew mack and so

3356
02:07:34,950 --> 02:07:33,520
i think i like his work i i like where

3357
02:07:37,109 --> 02:07:34,960
he was going and what he was pointing

3358
02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:37,119
out and any connection to

3359
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:38,639
you know the breakaway civilizations

3360
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:40,560
would have been in the form of knowledge

3361
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:42,000
and contact

3362
02:07:46,790 --> 02:07:44,239
with you know crypto terrestrial so to

3363
02:07:48,790 --> 02:07:46,800
speak because naturally particularly as

3364
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:48,800
we got into the 20th century and the

3365
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:50,880
technology advanced you advance certain

3366
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:52,880
technologies and you start poking around

3367
02:07:56,550 --> 02:07:54,320
in places you're going to encounter

3368
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:56,560
whoever and whatever's there

3369
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:58,079
so i right and you would think they

3370
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:00,719
would side with the the more benevolent

3371
02:08:05,990 --> 02:08:03,440
parties as opposed to the i would hope

3372
02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:06,000
the gung-ho totalitarian types which uh

3373
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:08,400
i would hope you

3374
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:10,800
here's the problem with that is we have

3375
02:08:14,069 --> 02:08:12,639
in our lore and legends and if you want

3376
02:08:15,589 --> 02:08:14,079
to get a clue

3377
02:08:17,270 --> 02:08:15,599
about you know certain things the

3378
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:17,280
history of them you kind of have to look

3379
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:19,599
at legends and mythology and dig out

3380
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:21,280
maybe the possibility of what the nugget

3381
02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:23,520
of truth is in that right and or that

3382
02:08:27,669 --> 02:08:25,679
grain of sand that you know grew into

3383
02:08:29,830 --> 02:08:27,679
the pearl that we end up with whether

3384
02:08:31,910 --> 02:08:29,840
it's pearl of wisdom or nonsense

3385
02:08:34,550 --> 02:08:31,920
here's the thing we have legends and

3386
02:08:36,870 --> 02:08:34,560
lore of these fallen beings who were you

3387
02:08:39,030 --> 02:08:36,880
know allegedly imprisoned in this dark

3388
02:08:41,109 --> 02:08:39,040
underworld right and it's in all these

3389
02:08:43,109 --> 02:08:41,119
cultures well here's the thing there

3390
02:08:44,390 --> 02:08:43,119
might be let's say for instance crypto

3391
02:08:46,550 --> 02:08:44,400
terrestrials who are you know in a

3392
02:08:48,229 --> 02:08:46,560
subterranean world that aren't nice guys

3393
02:08:49,990 --> 02:08:48,239
that actually would look at this

3394
02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:50,000
breakaway this dark break away and say

3395
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:52,400
yeah yeah you guys you're right in line

3396
02:08:55,830 --> 02:08:54,239
with our thinking and you know would do

3397
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:55,840
anything they could within their power

3398
02:09:00,229 --> 02:08:58,560
to assist these totalitarian guys so

3399
02:09:01,990 --> 02:09:00,239
that's the thing i'm not one who says

3400
02:09:03,109 --> 02:09:02,000
just because i don't think all the

3401
02:09:05,350 --> 02:09:03,119
crypto terrestrials or the

3402
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:05,360
extraterrestrials are there's a lot of

3403
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,840
people think they're all good i think um

3404
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:09,679
i think that's a mistake i think some of

3405
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:12,400
them are good some are bad just like us

3406
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:14,000
i would think that they they've been

3407
02:09:18,870 --> 02:09:16,880
fairly laissez-faire they've kept their

3408
02:09:20,709 --> 02:09:18,880
hands at least you know an outward

3409
02:09:22,790 --> 02:09:20,719
appearance they've they've really kept a

3410
02:09:24,709 --> 02:09:22,800
low profile and have not really become

3411
02:09:26,790 --> 02:09:24,719
involved unless they're the ones doing

3412
02:09:27,830 --> 02:09:26,800
the abductions and and creating hubrids

3413
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:27,840
to uh

3414
02:09:31,270 --> 02:09:29,520
to come to david's david jacob's house

3415
02:09:32,709 --> 02:09:31,280
and give him nightmares

3416
02:09:35,030 --> 02:09:32,719
well here's the thing i think some of

3417
02:09:35,990 --> 02:09:35,040
them are doing bad things some of them

3418
02:09:37,669 --> 02:09:36,000
you know

3419
02:09:39,430 --> 02:09:37,679
probably want nothing to do with us not

3420
02:09:42,149 --> 02:09:39,440
in an evil sense but yeah they just want

3421
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:42,159
to do their own thing and like the one

3422
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:43,199
breakaway

3423
02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:45,280
and uh maybe some of them you know are

3424
02:09:49,750 --> 02:09:46,960
willing to help us that's the thing is

3425
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:49,760
they have i think in the end

3426
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:51,520
you can find as much

3427
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:54,239
moral or ethical diversity of intention

3428
02:09:56,950 --> 02:09:55,520
between crypto terrestrials

3429
02:10:01,189 --> 02:09:56,960
extraterrestrials in dimensionals or

3430
02:10:05,750 --> 02:10:03,350
yeah and you know some people point to

3431
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well any any civilization that has

3432
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advanced their technology to travel the

3433
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stars must have conquered you know

3434
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belligerence and

3435
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baloney i mean look at our technological

3436
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advantages that were done to make war no

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more wars never going to happen

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3524
02:13:38,390 --> 02:13:35,679
before that i warned that dot-com

3525
02:13:40,310 --> 02:13:38,400
companies would crash and they did those

3526
02:13:42,550 --> 02:13:40,320
who listened had a chance to save

3527
02:13:44,629 --> 02:13:42,560
themselves but this has nothing to do

3528
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:44,639
with the stock market this will affect

3529
02:13:50,310 --> 02:13:47,760
us all i've posted a free video at

3530
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:50,320
disappearingdollar.com

3531
02:13:53,750 --> 02:13:51,679
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3532
02:13:56,069 --> 02:13:53,760
conclusions but first you need to watch

3533
02:13:58,310 --> 02:13:56,079
this video and see the facts for

3534
02:14:00,629 --> 02:13:58,320
yourself you can watch the video for

3535
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free right now by going to

3536
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3537
02:14:10,629 --> 02:14:07,440
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3538
02:14:12,950 --> 02:14:10,639
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3539
02:14:15,350 --> 02:14:12,960
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3540
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:15,360
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3541
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:17,920
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3542
02:14:22,629 --> 02:14:20,639
can even get it zeroed out completely

3543
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:22,639
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3544
02:14:27,430 --> 02:14:24,880
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3545
02:14:29,709 --> 02:14:27,440
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3546
02:14:31,510 --> 02:14:29,719
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02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:31,520
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3548
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[Music]

3549
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:43,189
hi this is don ecker and you are tuned

3550
02:14:48,470 --> 02:14:46,079
in to the paracast let me tell you what

3551
02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:48,480
you're going to hear stuff here that you

3552
02:14:54,709 --> 02:14:51,840
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

3553
02:14:55,510 --> 02:14:54,719
that george snorri

3554
02:14:58,310 --> 02:14:55,520
so

3555
02:15:01,830 --> 02:14:58,320
make love not war those who say that

3556
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:04,229
i'm going to love you to death

3557
02:15:07,830 --> 02:15:06,480
it's just so much nonsense

3558
02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:07,840
i'll tell you what the way things are

3559
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:09,840
going now you have to think that those

3560
02:15:14,229 --> 02:15:11,679
who want to take us over they are

3561
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:14,239
succeeding beyond their wildest dreams

3562
02:15:17,430 --> 02:15:16,400
they just have to sit back and let it

3563
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:17,440
happen

3564
02:15:21,109 --> 02:15:18,960
yeah right now it sure does seem like

3565
02:15:23,189 --> 02:15:21,119
that i would agree i mean who would want

3566
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:23,199
to take over this dysfunctional

3567
02:15:27,430 --> 02:15:25,840
misogynist primitive violent place i

3568
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:27,440
think that we're the virus and that

3569
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:28,800
they're interested in the the

3570
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:31,679
biodiversity and the wonderful uh you

3571
02:15:37,270 --> 02:15:33,679
know quality of millions of species in

3572
02:15:38,790 --> 02:15:37,280
the life of this wonderful giant uh

3573
02:15:40,229 --> 02:15:38,800
terrarium

3574
02:15:42,790 --> 02:15:40,239
depending on our level all this

3575
02:15:44,790 --> 02:15:42,800
dysfunction that's on our level on their

3576
02:15:46,149 --> 02:15:44,800
level you know they live at a different

3577
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:46,159
level they don't deal with those things

3578
02:15:49,430 --> 02:15:48,079
because in their little world those

3579
02:15:51,669 --> 02:15:49,440
things are

3580
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:51,679
significantly reduced if not

3581
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:53,840
suppressed so they don't have to worry

3582
02:15:58,390 --> 02:15:55,679
about it chris how are we doing from the

3583
02:16:00,229 --> 02:15:58,400
question department we're pretty much uh

3584
02:16:02,149 --> 02:16:00,239
done with the questions

3585
02:16:04,149 --> 02:16:02,159
all right there's one here from shadow

3586
02:16:05,350 --> 02:16:04,159
gov on a scale of one to ten where is

3587
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:05,360
one

3588
02:16:08,229 --> 02:16:06,320
is the

3589
02:16:10,950 --> 02:16:08,239
secret space programs and ten is an

3590
02:16:13,270 --> 02:16:10,960
ascension style breakaway civilization

3591
02:16:15,030 --> 02:16:13,280
where do you think we are today

3592
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:15,040
i'm really not sure what that question

3593
02:16:20,310 --> 02:16:18,800
means but yeah is that is that like a

3594
02:16:22,470 --> 02:16:20,320
and

3595
02:16:26,790 --> 02:16:22,480
what do they mean by ascension like like

3596
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:26,800
ascended masters uh spiritual thing or

3597
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:28,960
is that a reference i'm just

3598
02:16:33,830 --> 02:16:30,639
well it's i think he's talking about the

3599
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:33,840
mini series ascension which uh is a

3600
02:16:40,629 --> 02:16:36,559
a generational ship that

3601
02:16:42,469 --> 02:16:40,639
was sent off into space allegedly and

3602
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:42,479
but it really wasn't it was a giant

3603
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:44,160
societal experiment and the people

3604
02:16:46,389 --> 02:16:45,040
aboard

3605
02:16:49,349 --> 02:16:46,399
think that they're in space and they're

3606
02:16:51,750 --> 02:16:49,359
really not if that's a show that i'm

3607
02:16:53,429 --> 02:16:51,760
i'm thinking of um

3608
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:53,439
uh

3609
02:16:57,190 --> 02:16:55,840
i think where we're at is

3610
02:17:00,469 --> 02:16:57,200
um

3611
02:17:03,990 --> 02:17:02,309
if i and the others who look at this by

3612
02:17:05,429 --> 02:17:04,000
the way richard dolan is the one who

3613
02:17:07,589 --> 02:17:05,439
first coined the phrase breakaway

3614
02:17:10,389 --> 02:17:07,599
civilization for those who want to know

3615
02:17:11,830 --> 02:17:10,399
the uh strict definition and you know go

3616
02:17:14,790 --> 02:17:11,840
to his website i think he's got the

3617
02:17:16,150 --> 02:17:14,800
definition there but um uh

3618
02:17:20,150 --> 02:17:16,160
you know you've got a couple of these

3619
02:17:22,389 --> 02:17:20,160
breakaways if they indeed do exist um

3620
02:17:24,950 --> 02:17:22,399
do they have technology that's

3621
02:17:27,030 --> 02:17:24,960
basically what we would call a century

3622
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:27,040
ahead of ours somewhere between 50 to

3623
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:29,040
100 years ahead of

3624
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:31,679
the most advanced we're aware of

3625
02:17:36,469 --> 02:17:34,880
and you know they're able to do some

3626
02:17:39,110 --> 02:17:36,479
really cool things

3627
02:17:40,870 --> 02:17:39,120
but i don't think they're so far ahead

3628
02:17:44,790 --> 02:17:40,880
of us that

3629
02:17:48,070 --> 02:17:44,800
um we wouldn't easily recognize

3630
02:17:49,349 --> 02:17:48,080
them if we saw them it it's it's i i

3631
02:17:51,190 --> 02:17:49,359
don't think

3632
02:17:52,950 --> 02:17:51,200
they're as far of they're of course not

3633
02:17:54,469 --> 02:17:52,960
as far as they'd like to be

3634
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:54,479
but um

3635
02:17:58,950 --> 02:17:57,200
you know i i think you know are they

3636
02:18:01,030 --> 02:17:58,960
are are they likely

3637
02:18:03,589 --> 02:18:01,040
on the moon on mars that kind of thing

3638
02:18:05,349 --> 02:18:03,599
yeah yeah i think they

3639
02:18:10,230 --> 02:18:05,359
easily have done that

3640
02:18:11,830 --> 02:18:10,240
a while back um but uh as far as being

3641
02:18:14,070 --> 02:18:11,840
able to transfer their consciousness

3642
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:14,080
into a robot body or this other transit

3643
02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:16,160
no no no i they're working towards these

3644
02:18:21,190 --> 02:18:18,719
things but i don't think they've made a

3645
02:18:25,190 --> 02:18:21,200
practical a practical

3646
02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:25,200
daily use of some of these more far out

3647
02:18:28,950 --> 02:18:27,519
aspects of what they're pursuing um

3648
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:28,960
they're still

3649
02:18:32,629 --> 02:18:30,240
progressing

3650
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:33,509
you know

3651
02:18:37,830 --> 02:18:35,840
all right let's look at the question of

3652
02:18:39,509 --> 02:18:37,840
the secret space program for a moment

3653
02:18:41,750 --> 02:18:39,519
okay so it's your contention that

3654
02:18:43,190 --> 02:18:41,760
possibly they are on mars

3655
02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:43,200
but as far as

3656
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:45,200
nasa is concerned we're talking about

3657
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:49,439
2030 or 2035. so we're saying the

3658
02:18:54,950 --> 02:18:52,160
breakaway civilization is maybe 20 years

3659
02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:54,960
or more ahead of us no more more i i

3660
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:56,559
don't i don't know about you but i quit

3661
02:19:01,349 --> 02:18:58,880
paying attention to nasa

3662
02:19:02,150 --> 02:19:01,359
a while back that's a propaganda thing

3663
02:19:03,669 --> 02:19:02,160
that

3664
02:19:06,709 --> 02:19:03,679
you know um

3665
02:19:10,950 --> 02:19:06,719
you know nasa for me has lost you know

3666
02:19:13,910 --> 02:19:10,960
credibility and and and such and um

3667
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:13,920
you know yeah maybe nasa isn't going

3668
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:16,160
planning on going there till till 2030.

3669
02:19:20,309 --> 02:19:18,399
that that's nice but um

3670
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:20,319
yeah i the breakaways they do their own

3671
02:19:24,230 --> 02:19:22,240
thing see that's the nature of it i

3672
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:24,240
don't think some people say well you got

3673
02:19:27,910 --> 02:19:25,920
to look at the you got to look at the

3674
02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:27,920
accounting for nasa and stuff and and

3675
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:29,359
the department of defense

3676
02:19:34,549 --> 02:19:33,120
uh no you don't in my opinion because

3677
02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:34,559
the very nature of the breakaway by

3678
02:19:38,230 --> 02:19:36,479
definition is they're doing their own

3679
02:19:40,070 --> 02:19:38,240
thing they're not

3680
02:19:41,669 --> 02:19:40,080
they i mean for a while you could look

3681
02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:41,679
at those things yeah during the military

3682
02:19:45,509 --> 02:19:43,920
industrial complexes you know era when

3683
02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:45,519
they first you know post world war ii

3684
02:19:50,469 --> 02:19:47,200
era you could probably look at those

3685
02:19:52,389 --> 02:19:50,479
things you know for clues but but uh you

3686
02:19:53,830 --> 02:19:52,399
know they can do their own thing and if

3687
02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:53,840
they can go to mars they're not going to

3688
02:19:56,710 --> 02:19:55,200
wait for nasa

3689
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:56,720
you know um

3690
02:20:02,150 --> 02:19:59,920
so but to me nasa's in this discussion

3691
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:02,160
within the context of this discussion

3692
02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:05,600
nasa became a non-player a long time ago

3693
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:07,520
well do you think the the fact that nasa

3694
02:20:12,950 --> 02:20:09,920
has not gone back to the moon

3695
02:20:14,630 --> 02:20:12,960
made may be due uh to being warned off

3696
02:20:18,230 --> 02:20:14,640
by the breakaway civilization that's

3697
02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:18,240
already busily mining helium-3 and and

3698
02:20:21,349 --> 02:20:19,280
other

3699
02:20:22,790 --> 02:20:21,359
minerals and resources from the moon i

3700
02:20:24,950 --> 02:20:22,800
mean

3701
02:20:28,950 --> 02:20:24,960
if not

3702
02:20:31,349 --> 02:20:28,960
just an agreement there

3703
02:20:34,630 --> 02:20:31,359
okay yeah we have no reason to you know

3704
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:34,640
it's like hey uh these guys this is

3705
02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:36,960
they're doing their thing up there

3706
02:20:39,910 --> 02:20:38,560
anything you would do and we'll give you

3707
02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:39,920
the data

3708
02:20:43,270 --> 02:20:41,680
i think there's probably data sharing

3709
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:43,280
you know to the extent that it's

3710
02:20:47,590 --> 02:20:45,040
determined nasa needs

3711
02:20:49,429 --> 02:20:47,600
um you know for their what they do

3712
02:20:51,270 --> 02:20:49,439
legitimately

3713
02:20:53,190 --> 02:20:51,280
um i say there's data sharing it's not

3714
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:53,200
some evil nefarious thing it's just you

3715
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:54,640
know hey

3716
02:20:58,950 --> 02:20:56,479
you know this is this particular thing

3717
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:58,960
will provide you with the info and

3718
02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:00,800
material that you need from this but

3719
02:21:04,469 --> 02:21:02,560
we're doing it um

3720
02:21:05,910 --> 02:21:04,479
well to the average person that's that's

3721
02:21:08,150 --> 02:21:05,920
still kind of

3722
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:08,160
a little bit outside the uh

3723
02:21:13,190 --> 02:21:10,560
you know the realm of of

3724
02:21:13,990 --> 02:21:13,200
of disbelief uh

3725
02:21:15,750 --> 02:21:14,000
but

3726
02:21:18,150 --> 02:21:15,760
it would make a lot more sense from

3727
02:21:20,309 --> 02:21:18,160
aliens aliens being up there and and

3728
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:20,319
scaring us off or something

3729
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:22,000
yeah you know and that's the thing you

3730
02:21:25,830 --> 02:21:23,439
bring up the average person and not to

3731
02:21:27,190 --> 02:21:25,840
be disrespectful to anybody but you know

3732
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:27,200
here's here's the thing i've noticed

3733
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,560
particularly since i've been writing in

3734
02:21:33,270 --> 02:21:30,720
this world of stuff like we talk about

3735
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:33,280
is you know the average person will say

3736
02:21:36,790 --> 02:21:35,280
oh that's ridiculous but then you hear

3737
02:21:38,550 --> 02:21:36,800
what they don't think is ridiculous and

3738
02:21:40,389 --> 02:21:38,560
what they do believe in and you have to

3739
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:40,399
say uh okay

3740
02:21:44,550 --> 02:21:42,080
so i'm gonna take your criticism with a

3741
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:44,560
grain of salt regular guy because

3742
02:21:48,710 --> 02:21:46,160
you know

3743
02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:48,720
but um uh and and that's the thing they

3744
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:50,560
take advantage of

3745
02:21:54,950 --> 02:21:52,800
the average person in conventional

3746
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:54,960
wisdom and they say well hey the beauty

3747
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:56,479
is the average person isn't going to buy

3748
02:22:01,429 --> 02:21:58,880
that we're up here anyway this is great

3749
02:22:03,190 --> 02:22:01,439
you know and again that's part of the

3750
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:03,200
look at the natural course of things

3751
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:05,920
look at natural human behavior and you

3752
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:08,399
know uh cloak yourself

3753
02:22:11,429 --> 02:22:09,359
in the

3754
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:11,439
the weaknesses and fallacies of that

3755
02:22:15,190 --> 02:22:12,960
natural human

3756
02:22:16,710 --> 02:22:15,200
uh behavior

3757
02:22:19,270 --> 02:22:16,720
they can almost hide in plain sight

3758
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:19,280
because there's enough average guys out

3759
02:22:25,429 --> 02:22:23,600
there that just refuse to choose not to

3760
02:22:27,429 --> 02:22:25,439
believe something or even consider

3761
02:22:29,510 --> 02:22:27,439
something you look at some of the polls

3762
02:22:32,309 --> 02:22:29,520
that have been conducted walter

3763
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:32,319
on different belief systems

3764
02:22:36,070 --> 02:22:34,080
and i won't mention too many things

3765
02:22:38,630 --> 02:22:36,080
except was the president of the united

3766
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:38,640
states born in america

3767
02:22:43,030 --> 02:22:40,479
and one political party i think what

3768
02:22:45,110 --> 02:22:43,040
half doesn't believe that now how could

3769
02:22:46,950 --> 02:22:45,120
you actually believe that you can say

3770
02:22:48,790 --> 02:22:46,960
anything you want about this guy you can

3771
02:22:52,309 --> 02:22:48,800
say he's a corporate tool he's the worst

3772
02:22:58,550 --> 02:22:55,510
but wait a minute i the day that hawaii

3773
02:23:00,790 --> 02:22:58,560
released his birth certificate

3774
02:23:04,469 --> 02:23:00,800
i downloaded it and found out that it

3775
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:04,479
was a layered photoshop document and the

3776
02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:06,319
important lines

3777
02:23:09,110 --> 02:23:07,520
that um

3778
02:23:10,710 --> 02:23:09,120
you know on the birth certificate

3779
02:23:13,110 --> 02:23:10,720
appeared to have been manipulated and

3780
02:23:14,870 --> 02:23:13,120
then an hour later it was um you know

3781
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:14,880
they flattened the image and there was

3782
02:23:18,950 --> 02:23:16,960
no longer a layered version but it was

3783
02:23:22,630 --> 02:23:18,960
obvious to me

3784
02:23:24,550 --> 02:23:22,640
i mean talk about you know

3785
02:23:26,630 --> 02:23:24,560
i don't know um

3786
02:23:28,710 --> 02:23:26,640
but ugly stupid i think would be the the

3787
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:28,720
only thing i could think of to put a

3788
02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:31,040
layered photoshop document in a in a

3789
02:23:35,990 --> 02:23:33,520
press release um of course it may also

3790
02:23:38,070 --> 02:23:36,000
be that the process of scanning created

3791
02:23:40,150 --> 02:23:38,080
the layers i'm not going to say

3792
02:23:42,309 --> 02:23:40,160
i'm just going to suggest that you know

3793
02:23:44,469 --> 02:23:42,319
if this guy didn't get elected president

3794
02:23:46,630 --> 02:23:44,479
we would have had maybe hillary clinton

3795
02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:46,640
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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

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encyclopedia in other books you're

3922
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well when you were talking earlier about

3923
02:29:01,590 --> 02:28:59,840
breakaway civilizations walter bosley

3924
02:29:03,349 --> 02:29:01,600
just one thing occurred to me because we

3925
02:29:05,349 --> 02:29:03,359
got into the discussion of the crypto

3926
02:29:07,670 --> 02:29:05,359
terrestrials

3927
02:29:09,750 --> 02:29:07,680
the book written by the late mac tony's

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who was on the show a few times you can

3929
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check it in the archives we've got all

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the shows up there still

3931
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i thought okay deros and terrors

3932
02:29:22,150 --> 02:29:19,359
evil under earth beings being dearos

3933
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:22,160
the nice guys being terrors now

3934
02:29:26,710 --> 02:29:24,960
obviously we trace that back to

3935
02:29:27,830 --> 02:29:26,720
the works of richard shaver and ray

3936
02:29:30,309 --> 02:29:27,840
palmer

3937
02:29:32,150 --> 02:29:30,319
right but doesn't that go back to older

3938
02:29:34,710 --> 02:29:32,160
writings that may have something to do

3939
02:29:36,870 --> 02:29:34,720
with the breakaway civilizations

3940
02:29:38,790 --> 02:29:36,880
sure it goes back to some of your old

3941
02:29:41,030 --> 02:29:38,800
tradition in lore of places like

3942
02:29:43,030 --> 02:29:41,040
shambhala you know the uh the

3943
02:29:45,429 --> 02:29:43,040
subterranean some people say you know

3944
02:29:47,830 --> 02:29:45,439
hollow earth uh realm

3945
02:29:51,670 --> 02:29:47,840
where the uh king of the world or rex

3946
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:51,680
mundi rules over his civilization and

3947
02:29:55,830 --> 02:29:53,760
you know it's connected to

3948
02:29:58,070 --> 02:29:55,840
you know the idea that part of that

3949
02:29:59,910 --> 02:29:58,080
whole lore is that he will he and his

3950
02:30:01,670 --> 02:29:59,920
army will emerge to

3951
02:30:03,270 --> 02:30:01,680
lead or take over

3952
02:30:04,710 --> 02:30:03,280
the world there will be this big

3953
02:30:07,990 --> 02:30:04,720
conflict blah blah blah but they're

3954
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:08,000
there and they uh they influence us and

3955
02:30:13,349 --> 02:30:10,720
how you know the the uh the masters of

3956
02:30:14,950 --> 02:30:13,359
shambhala so to speak have influenced

3957
02:30:16,870 --> 02:30:14,960
you know like the ancient tibetans and

3958
02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:16,880
such and that there's these tunnels that

3959
02:30:20,630 --> 02:30:18,880
connect to their their subterranean

3960
02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:20,640
world you know leading from tibet and

3961
02:30:25,830 --> 02:30:22,960
south america yeah this stuff's been out

3962
02:30:27,750 --> 02:30:25,840
there you know for a long time and um

3963
02:30:29,510 --> 02:30:27,760
you know it's probably where shaver you

3964
02:30:32,150 --> 02:30:29,520
know

3965
02:30:34,950 --> 02:30:32,160
what shaver was influenced by um if he

3966
02:30:36,550 --> 02:30:34,960
didn't actually encounter some of what

3967
02:30:39,270 --> 02:30:36,560
he said you know

3968
02:30:40,710 --> 02:30:39,280
i leave it to the individual to decide

3969
02:30:42,870 --> 02:30:40,720
for themselves and yeah i know there's

3970
02:30:44,710 --> 02:30:42,880
people out there who hate that too but

3971
02:30:47,190 --> 02:30:44,720
i'm not gonna i'm not i never tell

3972
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people what to think you know or believe

3973
02:30:51,270 --> 02:30:49,120
i make you know i say hey decide for

3974
02:30:52,790 --> 02:30:51,280
yourself but uh yeah well there's

3975
02:30:54,469 --> 02:30:52,800
legends all over the world you have the

3976
02:30:56,790 --> 02:30:54,479
moon faced white white skinned moon

3977
02:30:59,030 --> 02:30:56,800
faced people yeah uh chased underground

3978
02:31:01,030 --> 02:30:59,040
by the cherokee

3979
02:31:02,950 --> 02:31:01,040
you you could go down the list uh

3980
02:31:04,309 --> 02:31:02,960
continent by continent of all the myths

3981
02:31:07,590 --> 02:31:04,319
and legends that

3982
02:31:08,630 --> 02:31:07,600
that talk about uh a an advanced

3983
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uh

3984
02:31:14,469 --> 02:31:11,439
form of of human or humanoid that has

3985
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been chased underground by encroaching

3986
02:31:19,510 --> 02:31:17,359
uh aboriginal peoples yes and you know

3987
02:31:22,230 --> 02:31:19,520
these these are very often connected to

3988
02:31:23,830 --> 02:31:22,240
you know lost civilizations i get into

3989
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:23,840
that a little bit in my new book you

3990
02:31:30,550 --> 02:31:28,550
what i think we're dealing with with the

3991
02:31:33,670 --> 02:31:30,560
breakaways that i write about is they

3992
02:31:36,070 --> 02:31:33,680
got their hands on very old information

3993
02:31:38,550 --> 02:31:36,080
that was passed down you know by

3994
02:31:40,150 --> 02:31:38,560
organizations that had come into

3995
02:31:41,910 --> 02:31:40,160
possession of this kind of information

3996
02:31:43,670 --> 02:31:41,920
like like the templars when in the

3997
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fourth crusade when they sacked

3998
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constantinople you know that included

3999
02:31:49,750 --> 02:31:47,280
the imperial library well we know the

4000
02:31:52,150 --> 02:31:49,760
imperial library ended up with a lot of

4001
02:31:53,670 --> 02:31:52,160
stuff from the library of alexandria the

4002
02:31:56,469 --> 02:31:53,680
tradition the history with the library

4003
02:31:58,469 --> 02:31:56,479
of alexandria is that it had you know

4004
02:32:00,389 --> 02:31:58,479
it's rumored to have had all the

4005
02:32:02,309 --> 02:32:00,399
technological knowledge of the world you

4006
02:32:05,030 --> 02:32:02,319
know leading up to the time it was

4007
02:32:07,830 --> 02:32:05,040
destroyed the library was destroyed that

4008
02:32:09,830 --> 02:32:07,840
we lost a lot of stuff and and really

4009
02:32:12,550 --> 02:32:09,840
the the renaissance our renaissance era

4010
02:32:14,710 --> 02:32:12,560
was kind of the rediscovery you know by

4011
02:32:16,230 --> 02:32:14,720
definition of some of the things that

4012
02:32:17,990 --> 02:32:16,240
had been known thousands of years ago

4013
02:32:19,030 --> 02:32:18,000
this is this is the theory i subscribe

4014
02:32:25,750 --> 02:32:19,040
to

4015
02:32:27,349 --> 02:32:25,760
these uh hidden races uh lost

4016
02:32:28,150 --> 02:32:27,359
civilizations in the underground and

4017
02:32:30,309 --> 02:32:28,160
such

4018
02:32:32,389 --> 02:32:30,319
it's all connected and therefore it

4019
02:32:33,510 --> 02:32:32,399
connects if as i'm arguing these

4020
02:32:34,630 --> 02:32:33,520
breakaways

4021
02:32:36,870 --> 02:32:34,640
drew

4022
02:32:39,590 --> 02:32:36,880
some of their knowledge from this lost

4023
02:32:41,990 --> 02:32:39,600
technology of forgotten civilizations

4024
02:32:44,710 --> 02:32:42,000
then at some point

4025
02:32:47,750 --> 02:32:44,720
you know they were possibly dealing with

4026
02:32:50,389 --> 02:32:47,760
representatives of fed civilizations and

4027
02:32:51,670 --> 02:32:50,399
there we venture into an area where you

4028
02:32:52,870 --> 02:32:51,680
know yeah there's people out there that

4029
02:32:54,469 --> 02:32:52,880
just don't want to go there they don't

4030
02:32:57,270 --> 02:32:54,479
want to hear this it's all nonsense to

4031
02:33:00,950 --> 02:32:57,280
them okay so is it either ancient

4032
02:33:04,070 --> 02:33:00,960
civilizations or interactions with e.t

4033
02:33:05,030 --> 02:33:04,080
ancient astronauts or a combination oh

4034
02:33:07,030 --> 02:33:05,040
okay

4035
02:33:09,590 --> 02:33:07,040
oh yeah i forgot we're we're all about

4036
02:33:11,830 --> 02:33:09,600
aliens it must be

4037
02:33:13,429 --> 02:33:11,840
okay here's the thing the farther you go

4038
02:33:15,750 --> 02:33:13,439
back and my book goes into this in the

4039
02:33:18,150 --> 02:33:15,760
very beginning the farther you go back

4040
02:33:21,030 --> 02:33:18,160
okay what's available in the lore you

4041
02:33:22,950 --> 02:33:21,040
cannot help but find a so an

4042
02:33:25,910 --> 02:33:22,960
extraterrestrial connection and i say

4043
02:33:28,230 --> 02:33:25,920
extraterrestrial with a small e because

4044
02:33:30,309 --> 02:33:28,240
these very human

4045
02:33:32,550 --> 02:33:30,319
beings that that came down and set

4046
02:33:35,830 --> 02:33:32,560
themselves up as gods they're very often

4047
02:33:38,950 --> 02:33:35,840
described as coming from the sky okay so

4048
02:33:41,670 --> 02:33:38,960
by default by default they are

4049
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:41,680
extraterrestrial and this influence and

4050
02:33:44,870 --> 02:33:43,040
yeah they brought technology with them

4051
02:33:47,349 --> 02:33:44,880
we know this i get into the story of the

4052
02:33:49,510 --> 02:33:47,359
fallen angels and then and the specific

4053
02:33:51,510 --> 02:33:49,520
technologies they taught humanity okay

4054
02:33:53,590 --> 02:33:51,520
so by default there is an

4055
02:33:54,790 --> 02:33:53,600
extraterrestrial connection wave

4056
02:33:58,230 --> 02:33:54,800
assumption

4057
02:34:00,230 --> 02:33:58,240
yeah but at some point early on humanity

4058
02:34:01,910 --> 02:34:00,240
armed with this new knowledge they kind

4059
02:34:03,670 --> 02:34:01,920
of started doing their own thing and

4060
02:34:06,870 --> 02:34:03,680
took over the development so that

4061
02:34:09,429 --> 02:34:06,880
effectively for our times okay

4062
02:34:12,070 --> 02:34:09,439
it's really the result of ancient human

4063
02:34:14,389 --> 02:34:12,080
knowledge not reverse engineering of

4064
02:34:16,790 --> 02:34:14,399
some of some alien thing that crashed

4065
02:34:19,349 --> 02:34:16,800
you know in the 40s this is stuff that

4066
02:34:22,309 --> 02:34:19,359
it goes back to ancient human knowledge

4067
02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:22,319
and technology that is so-called lost

4068
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:24,160
technology of the so-called forgotten

4069
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:26,560
civilizations which your mystery schools

4070
02:34:31,590 --> 02:34:28,640
and your secret societies and stuff

4071
02:34:33,349 --> 02:34:31,600
various ones were privy to uh not just

4072
02:34:35,190 --> 02:34:33,359
the what people think are nefarious the

4073
02:34:37,030 --> 02:34:35,200
secret societies but you know the guys

4074
02:34:38,550 --> 02:34:37,040
who founded the royal society were not

4075
02:34:40,630 --> 02:34:38,560
the technician scientists who run it

4076
02:34:43,270 --> 02:34:40,640
today the technician scientists who took

4077
02:34:45,030 --> 02:34:43,280
over the royal society did that in 1830

4078
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:45,040
prior to that these guys were all

4079
02:34:49,670 --> 02:34:47,520
philosopher scientists as you know uh

4080
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:49,680
isaac newton was every bit as much an

4081
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:52,319
alchemist how come he was an astronomer

4082
02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:55,120
okay spent more time on alchemy they did

4083
02:35:00,710 --> 02:34:57,840
you know newtonian yeah and sir robert

4084
02:35:02,710 --> 02:35:00,720
moray who founded the royal society all

4085
02:35:04,550 --> 02:35:02,720
the guys he founded it with most of

4086
02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:04,560
these guys were freemasons and if you

4087
02:35:07,349 --> 02:35:06,160
weren't a freemason back then when they

4088
02:35:09,670 --> 02:35:07,359
founded it they went ahead and brought

4089
02:35:11,429 --> 02:35:09,680
you into a lodge because they were

4090
02:35:13,750 --> 02:35:11,439
operating with what the freemasons of

4091
02:35:15,910 --> 02:35:13,760
the time knew about the lost ancient

4092
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:15,920
technology because remember the templars

4093
02:35:20,309 --> 02:35:18,080
ended up in scotland okay where modern

4094
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:20,319
free masonry began and that's where

4095
02:35:25,670 --> 02:35:22,880
moray was from okay and the templars in

4096
02:35:27,750 --> 02:35:25,680
the fourth crusade going back to sac and

4097
02:35:30,230 --> 02:35:27,760
constantinople they got their hands on

4098
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:30,240
this lost ancient knowledge that had

4099
02:35:34,550 --> 02:35:31,760
survived the destruction of the library

4100
02:35:36,309 --> 02:35:34,560
of alexandria thank you very much yes by

4101
02:35:38,830 --> 02:35:36,319
christians and there were various

4102
02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:38,840
sackings of library of

4103
02:35:42,870 --> 02:35:41,439
alexandria yeah you know and all of them

4104
02:35:44,710 --> 02:35:42,880
got in on the act all the ignorant

4105
02:35:47,349 --> 02:35:44,720
morons got in on the act but the thing

4106
02:35:49,110 --> 02:35:47,359
is the templars came away part of their

4107
02:35:51,110 --> 02:35:49,120
secret information and treasure was what

4108
02:35:52,790 --> 02:35:51,120
they sacked in constantinople and that

4109
02:35:54,630 --> 02:35:52,800
included maps and knowledge of the new

4110
02:35:56,469 --> 02:35:54,640
world the the north and south america

4111
02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:56,479
and on and on and so forth

4112
02:36:00,389 --> 02:35:58,640
so i mean you know you had

4113
02:36:03,510 --> 02:36:00,399
groups like the you know the inner core

4114
02:36:05,750 --> 02:36:03,520
of the royal society in pre-1830 before

4115
02:36:07,349 --> 02:36:05,760
the bean counting weenies took over

4116
02:36:08,790 --> 02:36:07,359
because they hated the alchemist

4117
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:08,800
basically because the alchemists knew a

4118
02:36:14,309 --> 02:36:11,600
lot more than they ever would but

4119
02:36:16,469 --> 02:36:14,319
that's another story and not like i have

4120
02:36:18,389 --> 02:36:16,479
an opinion on that or anything you know

4121
02:36:21,429 --> 02:36:18,399
these kind of groups they they have

4122
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:21,439
access to this stuff and there is a free

4123
02:36:26,230 --> 02:36:24,080
masonic thread running through the del

4124
02:36:28,790 --> 02:36:26,240
shall sonora aero club and in the

4125
02:36:30,469 --> 02:36:28,800
airship materials so there you go if you

4126
02:36:32,630 --> 02:36:30,479
can show a connection to the secret

4127
02:36:34,150 --> 02:36:32,640
societies and such and you can say that

4128
02:36:36,070 --> 02:36:34,160
the secret society's had possession of

4129
02:36:37,670 --> 02:36:36,080
this ancient lost technology and then

4130
02:36:39,990 --> 02:36:37,680
here it starts popping up in the airship

4131
02:36:42,550 --> 02:36:40,000
mysteries of the 19th century on and on

4132
02:36:45,270 --> 02:36:42,560
so forth you see that there's a human

4133
02:36:46,790 --> 02:36:45,280
thread not an et threat and i know

4134
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:46,800
that's going to make me not very popular

4135
02:36:51,670 --> 02:36:49,040
with some people but oh well

4136
02:36:54,150 --> 02:36:51,680
i'm already there hey we got to wrap it

4137
02:36:55,670 --> 02:36:54,160
up here walter okay all right tell our

4138
02:36:58,630 --> 02:36:55,680
listeners please where they can find

4139
02:37:01,270 --> 02:36:58,640
more of the stuff that you do more of my

4140
02:37:04,150 --> 02:37:01,280
stuff can be found at amazon.com on

4141
02:37:07,030 --> 02:37:04,160
kindle just look up empire the wheel or

4142
02:37:09,870 --> 02:37:07,040
secret missions just look up my name and

4143
02:37:12,389 --> 02:37:09,880
also if you prefer printed at lulu.com

4144
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:12,399
lulu.com just look at my name you'll see

4145
02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:13,439
my books

4146
02:37:21,830 --> 02:37:20,150
and you'll see that sometimes i have a

4147
02:37:24,150 --> 02:37:21,840
bunch of posts sometimes i go a few

4148
02:37:27,190 --> 02:37:24,160
weeks without a post but it is act and

4149
02:37:30,950 --> 02:37:27,200
when you click on walter bosley's name

4150
02:37:32,950 --> 02:37:30,960
on the powercast.com you go to his blog

4151
02:37:35,030 --> 02:37:32,960
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4152
02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:35,040
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02:37:44,150 --> 02:37:41,600
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02:38:05,630 --> 02:38:00,880
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02:38:38,469 --> 02:38:36,880
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4178
02:38:39,830 --> 02:38:38,479
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02:38:42,520 --> 02:38:39,840
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02:38:52,150 --> 02:38:42,530
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02:39:01,110 --> 02:38:58,230
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